Alienware M17x VS Vortex II... the truth

alebea

Member
Alienware M17x vs PCS Vortex... the truth

Now I haven't been on the PCS website for quite some time. I carefully considered a top spec Vortex 17 against a top spec Alienware m17x R3, but due to a 48hr price drop offered, I finally went for the Alienware (Dell) in December 2011: purchased with full 3 year protection & accidental warranty.

I LOVED the Alienware machine. Contrary to some criticism, I think it looked the business, and that was also one of the main reasons I chose the m17x over the Vortex... it looked a bit more unique and special for a machine that was costing about £2.5K. Plus, I'd always kinda wanted one. It ran great for about 3 months without problems, before I was forced to dabble into the world of Dell updates - which fixed some issues, and caused many others. Basically I did EXACTLY what I've now read I shouldn't; the m17x command centre button panel stopped working, and I attempted to reload from the disc. That combined with a recent Dell Bios update which literally FRIED my computer's WEI and performance, I tried to "respawn" the machine. Crashed, locked in Windows repair and forced to repeat the process. Final attempt to rescue was to reinstall Windows from the supplied disc, which resulted in somehow completely corrupting the 256GB SSD C:drive and reducing it to 1GB!

I phoned up the support, and they sent someone out the next day. All seemed to be well, and I couldn't understand what all the negative feedback about Dell customer service was all about. That was until I noticed the engineer attempting to replace my Sata III 6 gb/s SSD with a Sata II 3 gb/s. I challenged it and demanded they replace like for like, but the engineer didn't have the part and couldn't do it without authorisation any way, and left. What followed was days of battling with staff who refused my requests, stating I should have received a Sata II, that it was a "fluke" upgrade, and it was that or a refund. I was furious, and a manager wouldn't even speak to me about it.

After some online research, it was clear I'd opened a can of worms. Anyone unlucky enough to have a m17x R3 with a SATA III SSD are likely to have experienced major problems and performance drops with that same BIOS update, that effectively crippled the performance. It had been working fine prior to that, but it seemed I was expected to simply accept this performance drop in older technology for a machine less than 6 months old, when I'd wanted the best of the best. Even if I accepted the Sata III (which they eventually gave in and offered me), Dell clearly state they do not support the compatibility, so it was a no win. But here's the tickle... as soon as they got wind I knew about these issues, and I declined the Sata III asking for a refund, they did a full 180 and refused. I was ready to kill by this point!!!

Any way, a few angry letters by recorded delivery and advice from Trading Standards later, Dell have finally agreed to give me my money back. And tbh, all I really initially wanted to do was buy the new m17x R4 which has apparently fixed these issues and comes with full Sata III support, but only a fool could ignore such a terrible experience with a company who man their phones with people who can't even speak or understand clear English, or the fact the same company lied to consumers, corrupted many of their machines and then tried to sweep it under the carpet with a new model. It's a real shame, but they haven't even apologised or offered a replacement, so I'm inclined to take my business elsewhere.

So I'm back on PCS... eyeing up the Vortex 17 again, now with improved colour backlit keyboard since when I last looked. Still not anywhere near as eye candy as the Alienware in my opinion, but at least adds a bit of pizazz! The main thing that beats the Alienware is the price for technology provided, I estimate what I want will cost about £700-800 less with PCS than the same on a m17x R4... that, AND the option of a matte screen. Think I'm done with Glossy, it does my head in seeing my own face in films & games!

Does anyone have experience with both laptops, and considering how much I loved the Alienware, do you think the Vortex will be a bit aesthetically disappointing by comparison? I know it's what's under the bonnet that really counts, but who doesn't want a beautiful machine for that money??

The only thing I have to account for if I buy with PCS, is an accidental warranty cover - which Dell throw in at reasonable cost if you purchase the 3 year premium support. A third party policy is quite expensive, £400-500 over 3 years. A word of suggestion PCS... if you could introduce a similar product, with perhaps the option of parts covered for the whole 3 years as well, I genuinely think you'll nail Alienware in just about everything.

I'm sure lots of people in the UK must have faced or will face a similar "Alienware VS PCS" choice. I thought it might be useful for them to hear a report from an unbiased person, who also desperately loved his Alienware and wanted it to be great... but the curse of Dell customer service is well founded I'm afraid.
 
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tom_gr7

Life Serving
gutted to hear about ya troubles, atleast you spotted him trying to swap the ssd, some people wouldnt have noticed and just let him crack on.

Did they give you all your money back then?

PCS it is :)
 

DeadEyeDuk

Superhero Level Poster
Sorry to hear about your ordeal alebea.

Tbh I think its an important part of personal computer development to buy an Alienware (don't lie, we've all done it...) only to discover WHY you should look around and see what other options there are.

Yes they have that wow factor, but actually I found that it got old after a while and a simpler design that WORKS is better :D

Now, noone is going to pretend your experience is the typical Dell/AW experience, but the fact it can happen is a problem (not the hardware issues, that can happen to anyone, but the problems after that), and one that I think having see the way PCS do thing, wouldn't happen here.

Good luck putting together a PCS build and as ever we (they) are here to lend advice and opinions throughout that process :D
 

Enazel

Member
Customer Service as always been the big issue with Dell, o and the price, it took me 8 months to get my new company to move away from dell, by basically sticking pricing from other companies under the bosses noses. Dell are expensive for what you get and support could be a LOT better.
 

alebea

Member
gutted to hear about ya troubles, atleast you spotted him trying to swap the ssd, some people wouldnt have noticed and just let him crack on.

Did they give you all your money back then?

PCS it is :)

Yes indeed... Fortunately I generally take the attitude that EVERYONE is out to screw me, so I kept an eye on him!
No they haven't given me the money back yet, I've got to arrange for it to be picked up etc - and tbh, I'm not convinced they won't try and pull something else before this is all done!
You say PCS it is.... but I must admit I'm sad at parting with my m17x, I think it's a great looking bit of kit. The ridiculous thing is Alienware could easily have rescued my custom if they'd given the slightest incentive or even been vaguely decent about it all, but they've now also got me thinking about the other stuff I can buy with the extra cash :)
(Btw, maximum respect for posting Andy Whitfield (RIP) as your profile pic dude. Flipping love that show, and was very sorry at his passing.)
 

alebea

Member
Sorry to hear about your ordeal alebea.

Tbh I think its an important part of personal computer development to buy an Alienware (don't lie, we've all done it...) only to discover WHY you should look around and see what other options there are.

Yes they have that wow factor, but actually I found that it got old after a while and a simpler design that WORKS is better :D

Now, noone is going to pretend your experience is the typical Dell/AW experience, but the fact it can happen is a problem (not the hardware issues, that can happen to anyone, but the problems after that), and one that I think having see the way PCS do thing, wouldn't happen here.

Good luck putting together a PCS build and as ever we (they) are here to lend advice and opinions throughout that process :D

Thanks DeadEyeDUK... it has been reasonably traumatic!!

The ironic thing is I knew about PCS and the pros of buying from them BEFORE getting the Alienware, it was simply the looks that bought me in the end. You say mine was probably not the typical experience, and that was exactly the gamble I took initially (after all, the majority must be happy right?), but I found out the hard way there's no smoke without fire. One of my best friends who runs a small I.T business warned me repeatedly to never never never buy a Dell, and guaranteed me I'd regret it... you can only imagine how he's mocking me now!

I'm almost 100% I will go PCS now when the money is finally refunded. I JUST WISH THE M17x WASN'T SO DAMNED PRETTY!!!
 

Raptor

Enthusiast
There are A LOT of complains about alienware costumer support, technical issues, hardware failing and build quality.

Plus last time i checked PCS is cheaper by quite a bit..

I'd go with PCS, cheaper, better build, better customer service and they actually give a damn about you unlike alienware
 

alebea

Member
There are A LOT of complains about alienware costumer support, technical issues, hardware failing and build quality.

Plus last time i checked PCS is cheaper by quite a bit..

I'd go with PCS, cheaper, better build, better customer service and they actually give a damn about you unlike alienware

YES... in a major way. Ridiculously so.

This is the Vortex III I'd be ordering:
Matte Screen
i7-3820QM
16 GB Samsung 1600 RAM
AMD HD7970m DDR5 GPU
HD1: 240GB Intel 510 series SSD
HD2: 750GB Scorpio Black 7200rpm
Sony Blu-ray writer
Arctic Paste
3 year Gold warranty & 1 year pixel guarantee
Diamond delivery
TOTAL: £2073

Alienware m17x R4:
i7-3720QM (lower spec)
8GB 1600 RAM (lower spec)
AMD HD7970m GPU
Blu-ray drive (read only, lower spec)
HD1: 250GB Sata3 6gb/s SSD (probably Samsung, not Intel)
HD2: 750GB 5400rpm (lower spec)
1920 x 1080 HD screen
3 year service plan (£264.65)
3 year accident warranty (£105... very reasonable)
TOTAL: £2898.64

That's a whopping difference of £825.64... for a prettier but essentially inferior computer, with Customer Service from hell and updates liable to fry your computer. Even if you allow about £400-500 for the additional cost of a dedicated premium laptop accidental cover (much cheaper to be found than the one PCS promotes), that's still a big saving for better hardware.

Maybe I need to get out more :)
 

kokabel

Bronze Level Poster
I used to go out with a guy who warned me about how bad Dell's customer service was - he was a software developer, and knew his stuff fairly well.

Then he went and bought an AW laptop... it wasn't even worth calling it a laptop - sure it worked, but the sheer size of it made it more like a laptop-shaped desktop machine.

Since then, every person I have spoken to have told me tales of woe regarding Alienware.

Oh, and while watching some game expo footage, I noted ArenaNet were demoing GW2 on Alienware machines... that kept crashing. Oh, it made me chuckle.

This thread just reaffirms my belief that Alienware is just a fancy brand name, and not much else. Hope your new computer from PCS will bring you lots of joy, if you make that decision. :)
 

clalan

New member
I've been trying for over 2 weeks to order my M17x from Dell. But between issues with their website not letting me put through the order and the sheer incompetance of their sales team, I'm now looking at a Vortex III.

I cant even begin to explain how angry I am about the whole process. Buying new kit is supposed to be fun. I'll hopefully get my Vortex ordered after work tonight.
 

keynes

Multiverse Poster
I've been trying for over 2 weeks to order my M17x from Dell. But between issues with their website not letting me put through the order and the sheer incompetance of their sales team, I'm now looking at a Vortex III.

I cant even begin to explain how angry I am about the whole process. Buying new kit is supposed to be fun. I'll hopefully get my Vortex ordered after work tonight.

Vortex all the way! pre-sales support is awful as well as the technical support. Had many issues with a Dell XPS
 
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