Defiance II a year (and a bit) on

Tony1044

Prolific Poster
Thought I'd pop a long-term review in about my laptop. I took delivery of it in August 2015.

First off, it's worth noting that this is my every day workhorse. And I do mean workhorse - it goes everywhere with me and is in daily use and abuse.

I'll pop the spec down. Now before anyone comes back with things like "32GB is overkill..." it may well be for most use cases. Mine, however, involves running multiple virtual servers and desktops in a lab/demo environment, so that amount of RAM could ideally have done with doubling but then the CPU would've been a bottleneck. Not that, as of right now, either are :)

So the spec:

Chassis & Display Defiance Series: 15.6" Glossy 4K PLS LED Widescreen (3840x2160)
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-4870HQ (3.7GHz Turbo, Iris™ Pro)
Memory (RAM) 32GB KINGSTON HYPER-X IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 980M - 4.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 11
2nd Graphics Card NONE
Memory - Hard Disk NONE
2nd Hard Disk NONE
M.2 SSD Drive 500GB Crucial MX200 M.2 2280 SSD (upto 555MB/sR | 500MB/sW)
2nd M.2 SSD Drive 500GB Crucial MX200 M.2 2280 SSD (upto 555MB/sR | 500MB/sW)
RAID RAID 0 (STRIPED VOLUME - 2 x same size & model HDD / SSD)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive NONE
Ext DVD/BLU-RAY Drive NONE
Memory Card Reader Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)
Power Cable 2 x UK Power Lead & 180W AC Adaptor
Thermal Paste ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card Intel 2 Channel High Def. Audio + MIC/Headphone + SoundBlaster X-Fi MB3
Bluetooth & Wireless GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® AC-7265 M.2 (867Mbps, 802.11AC) + BLUETOOTH
USB Options 4 x USB 3.0 PORTS (1 x POWERED, 1 e-SATA COMBINED)
Battery Defiance Series 4 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (60WH)
Keyboard Language DEFIANCE SERIES BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD WITH NUMBER PAD
OS License Genuine Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc DVD &
DVD Recovery Media Windows 10 (64-bit) Professional DVD with paper sleeve
Office Software NO OFFICE SOFTWARE
Anti-Virus NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Laptop Cooling Stands NONE
Stand-Alone Monitor NONE
Additional Keyboard NONE
Notebook Mouse INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Gaming Mouse Pad NONE
Game Streaming NONE
External Speakers NONE
Webcam INTEGRATED 2.0 MEGAPIXEL WEBCAM
Headsets 0 NONE
Surge Protection NONE
Printer NONE
External Hard Drive NONE

The purchasing experience was lacking. Despite paying for the expedited build it took weeks. And whilst I could have tolerated the delays had I got decent feedback from PCS what I actually got was contradictions and outright lies. That almost lead to me cancelling the order there and then.

And then the build quality of the first machine when it did finally arrive was terrible. I had trapped wires, bits of plastic covering stuck out of the sides and a diagnostic log file on the SSD that said the GPU had failed soak testing repeatedly.

I really did lose my temper with them at that point and told PCS I wanted a replacement machine. And, in fairness to them, that is precisely what they sent me.

And the second time round there were no such quality issues.

However, and I do not land any of this on the shoulders of PCS, Windows 10, which was brand new at the time was a royal pain in the backside.

The trackpad was missing basic functions such as two-fingered scrolling. It was under sensitive to the point it was unusable at times. The fingerprint scanner, though recognised, wouldn't work either natively with Windows Hello, or with the included manufacturer software.

Subsequent updates to drivers from Synaptics and Microsoft slowly improved this but it was really the Anniversary Upgrade that really put them to bed.

I would struggle to give an average time on battery as I rarely use it on battery because of the load I put it under. That said, when I've just been typing docs on in back in a hotel room, I'd say a good couple of hours plus.

I am an occasional gamer and it's never failed to run at high quality (not maxed out now, by any means but certainly beautiful). For example, it ran Doom 2016 and GoW 4 without missing a beat. Interestingly, I had better performance when I ran Doom using the Vulkan driver than I did with the DX12. It looked better, too, to my eyes. And yet, I know others such as Spydertracks on here have had nothing but problems running Vulkan.

One thing I am keeping an eye on is temps - it seems to run very very hot at times. Not just gaming which I can understand. I've given the vents a good blow out though, but I suspect it could do with a repaste when I get the time. And when the temps come up, so do the fans and by christ they're loud. I swear this thing could be registered as a drone. It really does sound like it's going all out to achieve take off.

One of the things that attracted me to the Defiance chassis was the amount of storage it can take. I bought it with 2 x m2 SSD's in RAID 0 and added a 1TB SATA SSD and a 2TB spinner. The lack of an internal DVD was never an issue to me as I was coming from a MacBook Pro where I'd taken the DVD drive out a day after buying it to put in an SSD.

One of the things that struck me when I first took delivery was that for a 15.6" model, it's big. Far wider than other ones I've used. That does have the added advantage of an almost full size keyboard which I love. The Apple backlit keyboard spoiled me so another backlit one was a must-have. I do wish Synaptics would try to match the Apple touchpad for quality too though. It really is the best one I've ever used.

In hindsight I wish I hadn't gone for the 4k screen.

The screen itself is simply stunning. No bleed, no aberrant colouring nothing. Blacks are black, whites are white. Even gaming, it's fantastic. That said, it feels as flimsy as anything. It flexes frightening amounts. But...has never given me any problems, so it's just aesthetics I guess.

But Windows again...it just struggles with high DPI displays.

Random applications will have tiny, tiny, icons and text even while the main window is fine, for example. Most, to be fair, I've now found workarounds for but not all. Even Microsoft can't seem to get it quite right - connecting to the same server via Remote Desktop, for example is a Russian Roulette of fun as to whether it'll manage to scale properly or not.

I would also not choose another Intel WiFi card. Number 1 - the native Windows driver sucks. The first time I rebuilt it, I made the mistake of not downloading the Intel WLAN driver. After connecting fine for all of 30 seconds it refused to stay connected or reconnect. My own fault in part as I always (usually) ensure I have the network and chipset drivers pre-downloaded as an absolute bare minimum to avoid just this kind of thing. Luckily, a quick cable connection solved it.

However, here's a gem for you. Intel don't allow software changing of the Mac Address of their NICs. This means Windows 10's ability to connect to open WiFi hotspots with a randomised Mac Address doesn't work, for example.

And the Synaptics driver, though much improved is still poor performing - it doesn't ignore my palm for example, even though it's checked in the driver settings. so I get frustrated with random mouse clicks which means if I am typing long documents, I inevitably have to go to an external mouse and temporarily turn off the trackpad.

As an IT professional, it niggles me that the BIOS is locked and I cannot simply upgrade it myself at will as and when they become available. I get it why this is the case for your average mass produced machine but I don't think PCS customers tend to be on the PC World shopping end of the spectrum and it'd be nice to have a choice.

If I had to score the system fairly I think I'd give the following:

Initial PCS communications and build time: 30%
Subsequent communications and response: 100%
Hardware: 85% *let down by Synaptics*
Overall happiness with the system: 95% *again that touchpad*

Performance - rapid! It's like speedy gonzales on acid! Nothing seems to lag or take inordinate amounts of time to function

Would I buy another? And from PCS? Definitely. Would I recommend them? Definitely, also.

Did they make mistakes? Yes, but - and this is the important bit for me - when they were called out about them they acted properly to do the right things as quickly as possible. Humans make mistakes. Hardware fails. It's how the company reacts to those things that I feel is the important thing and PCS really did step up to the mark.
 

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
An excellent and well balanced review. :)

I share your concerns with Windows 10, though I'd not go back to any earlier version now, and it is still a work in progress. For me it was a free upgrade and on that basis I'm quite happy!

I too would never buy another Intel wifi card, and I know others on here who feel the same.

The locked BIOS is down to Clevo I suspect rather than PCS.

I also agree that the measure of a good company is how they deal with problems. Glad yours got sorted so well.

BTW. I'm hesitating giving you +rep for this review. Why? Well, because you're on 198 posts and 198 rep and that's almost too neat to spoil! Darn it, +rep deserved and given. :)
 

Tony1044

Prolific Poster
BTW. I'm hesitating giving you +rep for this review. Why? Well, because you're on 198 posts and 198 rep and that's almost too neat to spoil! Darn it, +rep deserved and given. :)

Hot snot! I am glad I hadn't noticed that :)

I have this weird kind of minor OCD with things like that once i notice them...it's like I can't sit in a room with a picture or painting at even a slight angle. Just really, really, reaaalllly bugs me. Far more than it should.

Oh yeah I should've said that to be fair about the BIOS. Realise it's Clevo that lock them down. I once had a lovely Samsung laptop with a fairly early generation x64 processor (my wife bought it for me sometime in late '08, early '09).

Had to wait until Samsung released a less locked down BIOS to support the virtualisation extensions built into that generation of CPU. Gits.

Believe it or not the place I am working right now still uses Vista. They're in the middle of rolling out Windows 10. You know when you step back a couple of generations, it's painful and so incredibly frustrating - one example being I frequently snap my windows. If I am reviewing two versions of the same document or need to pull information from one to another, just a quick windows-key and arrow and bang.

Of course, that was introduced in 7. And it still catches me out. Grrr.

I actually like Windows 10. It has some oddities and annoyances but I would imagine for the vast majority of non-technical people, they wouldn't notice most of them on a day-to-day basis.

Oh one thing I did forget to mention in the review - the external power supply is huge. Honestly, it's like half a house brick. I suppose another thing worth mentioning too, is that the laptop only just fits into a Swissgear (Wenger? The folks who make the Swiss Army Knife, anyway) laptop rucksack designed for 15" laptops.
 

rav007

Enthusiast
I like the review, it also confirms the ability to put a 7mm sata ssd and 9.5mm hdd into the stacked drive bay which is what I was hoping for.

I don't think OCD is legitimately a thing by the way. I dislike how people get hung up on things like OCD as if there is something wrong with them, these terms were only created to diagnose the most severe forms of these behaviours which require medication only because it affects peoples daily lives to the point where they are unable to function. There is nothing wrong with wanting to straighten a tilted picture or wanting to straighten a stack of cards or have the notes all oriented in the same direction in your wallet, etc. They are just traits of a perfectionist/completionist.
 

Tony1044

Prolific Poster
It wasn't my intention to make light of it - just a joke about some of my own quirky traits. :)

I like the review, it also confirms the ability to put a 7mm sata ssd and 9.5mm hdd into the stacked drive bay which is what I was hoping for.

I don't think OCD is legitimately a thing by the way. I dislike how people get hung up on things like OCD as if there is something wrong with them, these terms were only created to diagnose the most severe forms of these behaviours which require medication only because it affects peoples daily lives to the point where they are unable to function. There is nothing wrong with wanting to straighten a tilted picture or wanting to straighten a stack of cards or have the notes all oriented in the same direction in your wallet, etc. They are just traits of a perfectionist/completionist.
 
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