How much is a GTX780 from PCS?

[Joe89]

Hi, i'm no expert and i've been messing around on the config trying to work up something i like and can afford and i noticed something. Each different config seems to have a different price for a GTX780 card.

What i mean is that on the Intel "Core i7 Extreme Computer" config, the basic price when adding just the GTX780 to the starting spec is £1239.
But when you change to "NONE, I ALREADY HAVE A GRAPHICS CARD" the price drops to £723 - thats a difference of £516.

However, doing the same on the Intel "Home / Office Computers" config leads to a difference of only £469.

Thats a difference of £47 between the two specs, for the same card.

The same thing happens on the 4 other configs (Intel & AMD) and each one gives a different price when adding and subtracting JUST THE GTX780 (all between £516 and £469).

Just wondered if there was any obvious/reasonable explanation for this that i dont know about, as i said i'm no comuter expert.

Also, any idea if or when the new GTX780ti will be available from PCS? And when the new GTX770 & GTX780 prices will filter down to PCS? Days? Weeks?
I'd rather get the whole machine from PCS, but finances may dictate that i get the GPU elsewhere.

Thanks in advance, Joe.

 

[kruppsy]

The only reason I can think of for the difference in price is if they are using different versions of the card depending on which catagory you chose. You may get a stock card with a stock cooler in the 'Home Office' Section and a branded OC card with uprated cooler in the 'Extreme' section, I don't know though, you would have to contact them directly. It does seem a little odd/cheeky if its the same card across all the catagories, they may have a perfectly reasonable explanation though.

I imagine you will see the 780ti in the config soon and price changes should reflect the market, but again, you are best contacting them directly for a definitive answer.

 

[keynes]

Hi, i'm no expert and i've been messing around on the config trying to work up something i like and can afford and i noticed something. Each different config seems to have a different price for a GTX780 card.

What i mean is that on the Intel "Core i7 Extreme Computer" config, the basic price when adding just the GTX780 to the starting spec is £1239.
But when you change to "NONE, I ALREADY HAVE A GRAPHICS CARD" the price drops to £723 - thats a difference of £516.

However, doing the same on the Intel "Home / Office Computers" config leads to a difference of only £469.

Thats a difference of £47 between the two specs, for the same card.

The same thing happens on the 4 other configs (Intel & AMD) and each one gives a different price when adding and subtracting JUST THE GTX780 (all between £516 and £469).

Just wondered if there was any obvious/reasonable explanation for this that i dont know about, as i said i'm no comuter expert.

Also, any idea if or when the new GTX780ti will be available from PCS? And when the new GTX770 & GTX780 prices will filter down to PCS? Days? Weeks?
I'd rather get the whole machine from PCS, but finances may dictate that i get the GPU elsewhere.

Thanks in advance, Joe.

This was asked before and the response from an administrator is that more expensive systems may involve more support in terms of possible faults, replacements, etc. whether is still valid or not I am not sure.
Regarding the gtx 780 ti anything you find is just speculation.

 

[Joe89]

The only reason I can think of for the difference in price is if they are using different versions of the card depending on which catagory you chose. You may get a stock card with a stock cooler in the 'Home Office' Section and a branded OC card with uprated cooler in the 'Extreme' section, I don't know though, you would have to contact them directly. It does seem a little odd/cheeky if its the same card across all the catagories, they may have a perfectly reasonable explanation though.

Possible, but unlikely as i'm guessing if they offered OC or upgraged cards surely theyd make it a selling point along with OC CPUs?

This was asked before and the response from an administrator is that more expensive systems may involve more support in terms of possible faults, replacements, etc. whether is still valid or not I am not sure.

OK, so if thats the case it may be a hidden premium on a warranty then? Thanks for the help.
Its not unreasonable to expect to pay more for a warranty on a more expensive machine, but it is kinda sneaky to hide it.

 

[Boozad]

It's not a warranty, your warranty is separate. I didn't know about the added cost of the card in high end specs and I'm a little bit peeved that I've paid a premium for support I will never use. Still, what's done is done and there's no point in stamping my feet about it.

 

[keynes]

It's not a warranty, your warranty is separate. I didn't know about the added cost of the card in high end specs and I'm a little bit peeved that I've paid a premium for support I will never use. Still, what's done is done and there's no point in stamping my feet about it.

Found it:
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?15771-update-on-my-order-after-phoncall-regarding-gtx-680&p=137858#post137858

The higher the value of the pc, the more margin you have to make in order to cover the extra costs associated through the life of that pc. the extra build time required. the extra support that is required for higher end systems. i.e we get more phone calls, the extra testing, the extra packing and delivery charges (yes its a bigger box for bigger cases) And yes the higher likelihood of higher end and higher cost components failing. There are also other cost associated with supplying higher end systems. The warranty issue is a non starter you say. So who pays for the manpower needed to process returns or component rmas. Who pays for the cost of collections and re-deliveries of pc systems. Who pays for the cost of doorstep swapouts. Who pays for the extra rma personnel to diagnose and fix the pcs that come back (more high end pcs come back as a percentage of total sales than basic systems, becvause theres much more that can go wrong).

Seems you forgot about a lot of costs we incur selling higher end systems and the reason for adding higher margin.

 

[Boozad]

Found it:
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?15771-update-on-my-order-after-phoncall-regarding-gtx-680&p=137858#post137858

The higher the value of the pc, the more margin you have to make in order to cover the extra costs associated through the life of that pc. the extra build time required. the extra support that is required for higher end systems. i.e we get more phone calls, the extra testing, the extra packing and delivery charges (yes its a bigger box for bigger cases) And yes the higher likelihood of higher end and higher cost components failing. There are also other cost associated with supplying higher end systems. The warranty issue is a non starter you say. So who pays for the manpower needed to process returns or component rmas. Who pays for the cost of collections and re-deliveries of pc systems. Who pays for the cost of doorstep swapouts. Who pays for the extra rma personnel to diagnose and fix the pcs that come back (more high end pcs come back as a percentage of total sales than basic systems, becvause theres much more that can go wrong).

Seems you forgot about a lot of costs we incur selling higher end systems and the reason for adding higher margin.

Just read all of that and, while I will accept that's PCS' way, I do not agree with it. I'm not sure if this just applies to GPUs but for argument's sake let's say it does, if my GPU fails within my 12 month warranty period (yes I should have gone Gold, my mistake) I will remove it, return it and wait patiently for it to be repaired or replaced. That's covered by my warranty, I should not have to pay a premium for that. What's outlined above is aftermarket care and that should be reflected in warranty prices, I would have been more than happy paying more for warranty knowing what I was paying for. I would also be happy paying more for bigger packaging and delivery, knowing what I was paying for.
I won't comment on the extra build time aspect due to me knowing how long my last order was marked as being moved through the building phase, but arguments like that are pretty weak because that is a cost of business, fitting a 780 to an £1,800 rig will take the same amount of time as fitting a 780 to a £900 rig.

Also, and I appreciate this is incidental, over three PCs bought from PCS in seven or so years, I've returned nothing. I've made no calls for support. I doubt I ever will once my warranty period is over so my premium is going towards other peoples' returns and calls. The fact I've bought a high end system means I'm already spending a lot more money, I shouldn't be penalised for that by being charged even more.

This is not a rant about what I've paid for my rig, I'm happy with the price I've paid and I'm more than happy with the service and the rig, but I think this is something PCS should seriously look at. Either incorporate those charges in other ways (optional higher warranty charges offering different levels of support for higher end rigs) or make it crystal clear when ordering that you're being charged £50 or so more for your GPU than if you spent a few hundred quid less, that way people at least have options to choose from.

I'll leave it there as I'm not bashing PCS and don't want it to appear that way.

 

[keynes]

I just spec a system 2011 socket vs 1150 and adding a gtx 780 was around £405 for the extreme range and a bit more for a haswell system. The post is quite old and the person that posted is not an administrator anymore so I am not sure if it still holds. I had like 3 RMAs with my system so the additional support for me was great! it is a matter of luck I guess but I know for a fact if there is an issue with my system it will be sorted by PCS and even in the case of a premium being introduced then at least I am prepare to pay for it. That is the reason I will continue ordering from them rather than other retailers. If there is a case of an additional charge for high end systems (which doesn't seem to hold from the 2 specs I just done) then I agree it should be something indicated when placing your order.

 

[Joe89]

Sorry guys i didnt mean to start anything and i wasnt bashing PCS either, i was just curious. Guess it explains why the warranty is so low and it isnt like some other companies who charge different levels of warranty based on the cost of the machine.

FYI, looks like the 780 just got cheaper in the last 12 hours as the i5-4670 + GTX780 i specced this morning for £1440 now shows as £1369 with no changes made by me.

Joe

 

[kruppsy]

I agree with Booz, the whole thing doesn't sit too well with me if it is the case. I had written an fairly eloquent rant during my commute but thought I'd best not post, probably already walking a fine line.

 

[keynes]

I agree with Booz, the whole thing doesn't sit too well with me if it is the case. I had written an fairly eloquent rant during my commute but thought I'd best not post, probably already walking a fine line.

Bahhh, free speech!

 

[tom_gr7]

Bahhh, free speech!

**frowns... looks at forum rules...

hahah jk jk.

But I thought the extra price was only reflected in extreme gaming pc's? Not say your normal sandy,ivy,haswell systems.