Looking to Order my first NEW Laptop

pez

Well-known member
Hey Guys.

Firstly, I'm a newbie here. So pleased to meet you all over the course of the next couple of months.

In terms of IT and tech, I built my first unix machine from an old BBC B back in the 80's - so kind old now and a little old school ;)

Therefore, I was hoping you wonderful chaps and chappess' could help :)

I'm presently using an old IBM Thinkpad with Centrino Duo that I picked up cheap. Been using it for a couple of years now, and thanks to work, I've got a £700 pre-tax bonus coming in January all being well, and as we aren't allowed to get cash towards the bills, I've decided to get a new laptop (the wife will kill me, but oh well ;))

Now, I've got a main desktop system that I used to use. Quad core, 4gb DDR3, 25" screen etc - mainly for gaming. However, I stripped out some of those components including the HDD to build a semi-decent Home Theater system. Thus, here I am stuck on a shiet laptop ;0)

So, in my quest to find something nice, I've been all over the net the last 2-3 weeks investigating and there are 2 sites I keep coming back to. PCSpecialist and MySn.de.

So, disregarding mysn for now, this is the spec I'm looking at:

Viper II 18.4" Screen

CPU - i5-540m (2.53ghz)
Memory - 4 Gig DDR3
Graphics - ATI HD5165 DDR3
HDD - 320 GB WD Scorpio - Sata 16mb Cache
Network - GB Lan N6300 Wireless

Total cost: £853 inc VAT


Now, I have one, small bug bear that is REALLY annoying me. I REALLY want an illuminated keyboard. This is almost now at the stage of a "no deal" if I can't get it.

Usage wise, the Lappy will almost always be plugged into the mains, so battery drain isn't an issue.

I LOVE the XMG Chassis from mysn with the keyboard layout, but not lit.

Is there anything you guys at PC Specialist can do to help me out here? If I need to adjust the spec slightly downwards to get it, then fine, lets have a chat :)

Thanks guys,
Hope you can help.

Matt

Additional Edit: Also, I really can;t think of a reason for having a DVDr as I NEVER burn or use CD's / DVD's this day and age. Is it possible you have a slimline addition, or whether this could be removed and replaced with a SSD for the OS? also, I really don't want the Windows software for £79.00 Can this be removed?
 
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Phoenix

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You can select "NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED" from the operating system drop down list, it might be possible to request a laptop without a dvd drive but I'm not sure about putting an SSD in there.
 

pez

Well-known member
Ahhh ha :)

Just seen it at the bottom of the list :D

any thoughts on the backlit keyboard?
 

Phoenix

Prolific Poster
I don't think any of the laptops have illuminated keyboards but I've never seen a laptop with one sold anywhere else either so it might be a better idea to just get an external illuminated keyboard it you really like them.
 

pez

Well-known member
yeah, a fair few have them these days. The Asus range certainly, and a few of the Dell ranges.

Not sure on the Chassis type on these models, so no idea whether an illuminated keyboard can be fitted :)

hopefully someone at PCS can deny/confirm/facilitate :)
 

PCS

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Staff member
Unfortunately the laptops that we sell at present do not come with illuminated keyboard and do not have the facility to have one fitted either. :s
 

pez

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PCS - Can you let me know if you can do a SSD & HDD build. One purely for the OS and one or two programs and the other for storage?
 

Sleinous

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You can not take out a dvd drive bay and replace it with an SSD or HDD as they arent the same size and youd need some kind of custom built rack that would sit where the old drive bay was to actually maintain the SSD in place.
 

Sleinous

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There are I THINK a few laptops where you can have 2 drives, but you will also obviously have the optical drive too.

EDIT: Yes I was right, here is a laptop as an example, with an 80GB SSd and a 500GB Scorpio HDD

BTW, if you did plan on getting an SSD drive, i'd recommend waiting until February 2011, when the new 25nm SSD 3rd Gen drives are releasing (160GB will cost the price of this 80GB).

Chassis & Display
Vortex i7: 17.3" Full HD LED Backlit Widescreen (1920x1080) Super Clear Glossy
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Mobile Processor i5-520M (2.40GHz) 3MB Cache (Special Offer)
Memory (RAM)
4GB SAMSUNG 1333MHz SODIMM DDR3 MEMORY (2 x 2GB)
Graphics Card
nVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 285M - 1GB GDDR3 Video RAM -DirectX® 10.1
Memory - Hard Disk
80GB Intel® X25-M 2.5" SSD (34nm / upto 250MB/sR | 70MB/sW)***SPECIAL***
2nd Hard Disk
500GB WD SCORPIO BLACK WD5000BEKT, SATA 3 Gb/s, 16MB CACHE (7200 rpm)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)
Memory Card Reader
Internal 7 in 1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/MS/MS Pro/MS DUO/SD/Mini-SD)
Network Facilities
ONBOARD GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS 802.11N CARD (AS STANDARD)
USB Options
4 x USB 2.0 PORTS AS STANDARD
Bluetooth & Infrared Options
Integrated V2.0 Bluetooth Adapter + EDR Capability
Battery
Vortex Series 8 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (3,800 mAh)
Power Lead & Adaptor
1 x UK Power Lead & 120W AC Adaptor
Firewire & Video Editing
1 X 1394a FIREWIRE PORT
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (£79)
Office Software
FREE Microsoft® Office Starter 2010 (Limited functionality Word & Excel)
Anti-Virus
BULLGUARD INTERNET SECURITY - FREE 90 DAY TRIAL
Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 2.0 MEGAPIXEL WEBCAM
Insurance
1 Month Free Laptop Insurance inc. Accidental Damage & Theft
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour) (£5)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Quantity
1

Price: £1,456.00 including VAT and delivery.

It goes without saying that its expensive because of 3 things primarily:

The SSD
The GeForce 285M which is a decent GPU even if it is last generation, its a pro-gaming GPU for laptops.
and lastly... there arent many laptops that can accomodate to HDDs/SSDs at once.
 
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pez

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ok, yet another question.

Which would you chaps go for?

1) 120gb SSD with a i5-520M

or

2) 500 GB HDD WD500BEKT 16MB Drive with a i7-640M


Cheers
Matt
 

PCS

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Staff member
For speed and responsiveness in your operating system, internet, general programs, etc - option 1

For high end video editing / gaming - option 2
 

pez

Well-known member
Cheers PCS.

I'm surprised that high end gaming would be better on the higher chip, lower HDD access?

How come?

I'm only looking at basic games, like TF2, CSS etc :)

Does the SSD not affect the speed in which the system loads / runs the game, and thus, the CPU is the king, over the HDD? Just thinking bottlenecks :)

So from what you say, the cheap option is better..?

Would it be worth throwing in an extra 4 gig of ram?


To be fair, I've been speaking to US manufacturers and the german guys, like mysn.de and so far, you guys are coming out on top. I think its a fair gone conclusion, I'll be ordering from PCSpecialist.

I've basically got £700 give or take, excluding VAT, for the best system I can get....and I love the separate keyboards :)

Advice?

I'm tempted with this option....thoughts?
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Chassis & Display Optimus: 17.3" Full HD LED Backlit Widescreen (1920x1080) Super Clear Glossy
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i7 Mobile Processor i7-640M (2.80GHz) 4MB Cache
Memory (RAM) 4GB SAMSUNG 1333MHz SODIMM DDR3 MEMORY (2 x 2GB)
Graphics Card nVIDIA® GeForce® GT 425M - 1GB DDR3 Video RAM - DirectX® 11
2nd Graphics Card NONE
Memory - Hard Disk 320GB WD SCORPIO BLACK WD3200BEKT, SATA 3 Gb/s, 16MB CACHE (7200 rpm)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive 8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)
Network Facilities ONBOARD GIGABIT LAN & INTEL ULTIMATE-N 6300 WIRELESS - UPTO 450Mbps
USB Options 3 x USB 2.0 PORTS AS STANDARD
Bluetooth & Infrared Options NONE
Battery StyleNote Series 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (4,000 mAh)
Power Lead & Adaptor 1 x UK Power Lead & 90W AC Adaptor
Operating System NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Office Software NO OFFICE SOFTWARE
Anti-Virus NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Stands & Port Replicators NONE
Carry Case NONE
Stand-Alone Monitor NONE
External Keyboard & Mouse NONE
Notebook Mouse INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
External Speakers NONE
Webcam INTEGRATED 1.3 MEGAPIXEL WEBCAM
Headsets (VOIP) NONE
Surge Protection NONE
Printer NONE
External Hard Drive NONE
Home Installation NONE
Insurance 1 Month Free Laptop Insurance inc. Accidental Damage & Theft
Warranty 3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour) (£5)
 
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PCS

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Staff member
My advice is get the best available for your budget. Games will load faster with an SSD, but running them might create a bottleneck if your CPU is not powerful enough. :)
 

pez

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I don;t think PCS can put in a different GPU, it is what it is :( Hopefully they can clean this up?

also, with the Optimus 17.3" - who is the manufacturer of this Chassis?

Thanks
Matt
 

Sleinous

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Its a diff spec, and double ur budget, my bad :( Im intrigued as to the first and second graphics xlot on this config! Seriously u can sli on this laptop for £700? If so im buying lol (fighting my sony laptop case atm)

edit: nope they dont, false alarm, wonder why ur spec says no 2nd gpu and mine doesnt even have a gap for it
 
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