Octane 15.6 Doubts

[Rajen]

I am considering buying a laptop; as powerful as possible

It will be used for computer chess competitions and computer chess engine development which means that the computer should be capable of running full throttle, both CPU and GPU and RAM, being flogged at full throttle for hours on end preferable for at least overnight or from the time i leave home and return home

My initial inclination is go for a 15.6" OCTANE V with (9700k and 2080) with 16 GB RAM, but i have seen very few reviews about a clevo P751TM1-G with a desktop processor on the internet and people on the computer chess forums are highly sceptical that a Laptop with a high end desktop and GPU could ever run without shutting down for more than 30-40 min at a time. I was warned against buying such a system, although none of the posters have any actual experience of a desktop in laptop system

The laptop will stay in one location, hence battery life or portability is not much of an issue and i am quite happy to buy the most powerful laptop cooling stand as well

My question is is it capable of running for 8-10 hrs at a stretch without severe throttling or shut downs

My original plan was to buy a desktop with 9700k and 2080 0r 2080ti with high end cooling. Unfortunately my wife says no to a desktop so this is out of question

 

[Rajen]

My query to PCS and their reply

Hi Enquiries

My original plan was to buy a desktop with 9700k and 2080 0r 2080ti with high end cooling. Unfortunately my wife says no to a desktop so this is out of question

I am hence considering buying a laptop; as powerful as possible

It will be used for computer chess competitions and computer chess engine development which means that the computer should be capable of running full throttle, both CPU and GPU and RAM, being flogged at full throttle for hours on end preferable for at least 24 hours at a stretch

My initial inclination is go for a 15.6" OCTANE V with (9700k and 2080) but i have seen very few reviews about a clevo P751TM1-G with a desptop processor on the internet and people on the computer chess forums are highly sceptical that a Laptop with a high end desktop and GPU could ever run without shutting down for more than 30-40 min at a time. I was warned against buying such a system, although none of these have any actual experience of a desktop in laptop system

The laptop will stay in one location, hence battery life or portability is not much of an issue and i am quite happy to buy the most powerful laptop cooling stand as well

My question is what sort of testing do you carry out on the octane and more importantly i it capable of running for 24 hrs at a stretch without severe throttling or shut downs

other option is to buy a 8750h based laptop (15 inch optimus IX rtx or 15inch recoil rtx
15.6
another question doe PCSpecialist ever plan to have a 8950hk laptop option in the near future?

raj

Reply

Hi Raj,



Thanks for getting in touch. From what you have described, the Octane series should do the trick however, I would be cautious about running any consumer system for 24hr at a time.



Generally for these kind of systems, you want to look an Intel Xeon processors and NVIDIA Quadro graphics card, as these parts are all certified for 24/7 usage in server and workstation environments. Unfortunately, this combination would not be available in a laptop from us at the moment.



Regarding the i9-8950HK, we did used to offer this processor in our Defiance V series, but found it was not that popular and ran far hotter than the 8750H or 8850H whilst performing that much better.



If you have any other enquiries, please do not hesitate to contact us.



Regards

 

[Rajen]

I was quite doubtful abiut th reply

in particular if a 8950hk ran too hot then how come a 9700k would not run even hotter?

 

[Stephen M]

I have not run my Octane for anything like that amount of time at full load so cannot supply a good answer but it quickly gets to high temps when video encoding to H265 and 264 Matroskas, it has not throttled or shut down but that is only in bursts of about 30-40 minutes or so.

Mine is the 17.3" version and for what you want I would suggest the same if you decide to try it, the extra chassis size will help a lot with the cooling, plus I always use a cooling tray.

The design has not changed much and you can get an idea of the set up of heat sinks from this review of an older model: https://www.notebookcheck.net/One-K73-5N-Clevo-P771ZM-Notebook-Review.135088.0.html

You may want to try contacting PCS direct, this is just a user's forum and while PCS do look in a lot it cannot be guaranteed they will see your post. Hopefully they may have some stress test results for you.

I think the sceptics on the chess fora are over-reacting a bit as the Octane is a very capable machine, although I would not recommend it for your use without getting some decent test results and I would certainly stress that the bigger chassis is the best option.

 

[Stephen M]

The Defiance chassis is thinner so there would be less ventilation, the 8950nk in an Octane chassis would probably be OK.

 

[Rajen]

I did ask PCS but their reply was unconvincing; esp because they said that i8950hk is not offered because of overheating whereas 9700k does nt

this i their reply

Hi Raj,

Thanks for getting in touch. From what you have described, the Octane series should do the trick however, I would be cautious about running any consumer system for 24hr at a time.

Generally for these kind of systems, you want to look an Intel Xeon processors and NVIDIA Quadro graphics card, as these parts are all certified for 24/7 usage in server and workstation environments. Unfortunately, this combination would not be available in a laptop from us at the moment.
Regarding the i9-8950HK, we did used to offer this processor in our Defiance V series, but found it was not that popular and ran far hotter than the 8750H or 8850H whilst performing that much better.
If you have any other enquiries, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards,

 

[Oussebon]

I've moved your 2 posts from the other thread here as they didn't really have anything to do with it and it's better to keep spec advice discussions in one place.

in particular if a 8950hk ran too hot then how come a 9700k would not run even hotter?

Easily. The 9700k is in the Octane chassis which has a much more robust cooling system. It has handled previous gens of desktop CPUs well. Also the 9700k is soldered.

Why is the desktop vetoed? Not to pry, but there may be alternatives such as mini PCs, or in-home streaming depending on the precise obstacles.

 

[ubuysa]

You really need to have a talk with your wife. A high performance, heavily used, 24-hour computer needs to be a desktop. A laptop is always going to be a compromise on performance and heat in order to gain portability, which you don't need.

A desktop doesn't have to be 'on show', as long as it's adequately cooled it can be hidden away so that only the screen and keyboard is visible.

I think you're going to be spending a lot of money on something that isn't really what you need if you go with a laptop....

 

[Oussebon]

Just to add to the above, desktops are also cheaper especially in the long run, because you can upgrade them to a much greater extent than laptops. With a laptop when you need to upgrade the CPU, and almost always the GPU, you need to buy a new system. Instead of just swapping a part or two out.

And if the motherboard dies in a PC outside of warranty, you just replace that for ~£150-200 (assuming a high end gaming PC). For a laptop, it's going to be a whole lot more...

 

[Scott]

FYI my system is in my cupboard under the stairs and cools very effectively. The cooling is so effective that I can't even hear it, even at absolute full chat. Temps are very reasonable too, GPU doesn't get close to 80 and the CPU doesn't get close to 90.

 

[Rajen]

FYI my system is in my cupboard under the stairs and cools very effectively. The cooling is so effective that I can't even hear it, even at absolute full chat. Temps are very reasonable too, GPU doesn't get close to 80 and the CPU doesn't get close to 90.

"Laptop: - Octane III 17.3", CPU - i7 6700K 4.2Ghz, GPU - GTX 1080 8GB, RAM - 16GB HyperX DDR4 CL13 2133Mhz, Storage - SM951 512GB, OCZ Ag3 240GB SSD, Hitachi 1GB HDD."

Scotster: any issues with your Octane ie over heating shutting down BSOD?

 

[Scott]

"Laptop: - Octane III 17.3", CPU - i7 6700K 4.2Ghz, GPU - GTX 1080 8GB, RAM - 16GB HyperX DDR4 CL13 2133Mhz, Storage - SM951 512GB, OCZ Ag3 240GB SSD, Hitachi 1GB HDD."

Scotster: any issues with your Octane ie over heating shutting down BSOD?

The Octane takes an absolute pasting with most intense operations. I would never have it running close to 24/7. Running GTA V for a few hours on a cooling pad sees CPU temps into the 90s. GPU has always been fine though, I did well with GPU lottery & Heat sink I think.

I have had it BSOD with temps, but only when I was fine tuning it. It's overclocked & undervolted now to try and find the best performance/temperatures.

I would have absolutely no chance with a 9900k in the system, even a 9700k would be pushing it. I know what sort of heat these chips produce first hand and to shift it out of a laptop chassis is just impossible at full chat IMO.

My point was to show that you could build a tower and hide it away

 

[Rajen]

My point was to show that you could build a tower and hide it away

when my wife wants a new TV, i'll include a new desktop as part of the agreement )