Samsung SSD 850 Evo 4TB

[lifeguardsm]

I came across this and I have to admit the price is high but for what you get it is really good

[Link removed as its a competitor site] Samsung SSD 850 Evo 4TB

I hope PCS will get them for when I create my new Gaming rig - which will be liquid cooled and so over the top to and there will unlikely be any budget either :tt2:

 

[steaky360]

The link you inserted was removed as it was pointing to a competitor site - here's a link to the SSD from manufacturer http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-75E4T0B/AM

Personally I don't think its worth the cost, you can buy more smaller (i.e. less space) SSDs for less cash. The 2Tb version of this retails between £480-£580 so you can get two of those for less than one of the 4Tb versions. I'm sure there are some folk who have a reason to get a 4Tb SSD and for those the cost won't matter for everyone else, I'd advise against it in favour of the smaller ones (if a 2Tb SSD is even required!).

 

[lifeguardsm]

Sorry I didn't release, but yeah u r correct, but would be good as I have a 1TB SSD and it is near full of TV programs and Films lol

 

[Rakk]

but would be good as I have a 1TB SSD and it is near full of TV programs and Films lol

Though there is no real reason why TV programs and films would be better on an SSD, might as well just put them on a mechanical HDD and save some SSD space

 

[steaky360]

Though there is no real reason why TV programs and films would be better on an SSD, might as well just put them on a mechanical HDD and save some SSD space

100% this

A 6Tb HDD costs a fraction of the price of the nearest SSD - the only reason I can think of (and its a stretch imo) is that the SSD is quieter than the mechanical HDD (although if you're getting a WC rig the WC pump / other components might be louder than a HDD when watching movies).

 

[LFFPicard]

Sorry I didn't release, but yeah u r correct, but would be good as I have a 1TB SSD and it is near full of TV programs and Films lol

Now that is a waste, just check my sig, I have 30TB of mechanical storage for media, the SSD is solely for OS and Plex server (On Plex spec). And my Gaming PC has a new SSD for OS and the old one is now for games.

 

[ubuysa]

I have to agree with the above. Films and TV programs derive no benefit from being on an SSD, it's just a waste of expensive real-estate.

 

[Parramatta]

If you only have a laptop, then you may only have one spare drive bay, so a 4TB SSD will be the only option if you want both capacity and portability.

Given that the 2TBs haven't come down in a year, it's likely the 4TBs will remain ludicrously priced until well into 2018.

 

[Parramatta]

Nine months later and the price has gone UP!! And the 2TB SSD is more expensive too now than when it first came out in 2015. We're living in weird times when consumer electronics go up in price year after year.

 

[Oussebon]

Prices of quite a few computer components in the UK have gone up since last summer due to how much weaker the £ got against the $.

SSD prices have seemed to be particularly affected such that I wonder whether there are other factors affecting those specifically. I bought a 500gb 850 Evo a while ago for £90 on offer. That's the going price for a 250gb one now. I was watching SSD offers over Black Friday and the new year sales and only saw 500gb Sandisk SSDs (which are nice enough but not quite 850 Evos) going for anywhere close to that.

 

[rav007]

I'd only pay for an SSD of higher capacity if it was cheaper per GB than lower capacity ones. This seems to be the case for this 4TB SSD. It also is the case for the 2TB NVMe which is like £1200, when the 1TB one is like £450 or there abouts. I would love that drive, but it costs as much as my laptop did

 

[rav007]

Oussebon, check this out https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Samsung-inch-Solid-State-Drive/product/B00P73B1E4?context=browse

From 3rd party sellers on Amazon, this drive price increased almost 2x since before Brexit. From Amazon directly, up almost 50%. Insane!

 

[Oussebon]

heh, that's quite interesting.

Current	£152.66	Mar 14, 2017
Highest [SUP]*[/SUP]	£199.99	Jan 24, 2015
Lowest [SUP]*[/SUP]	£110.99	Jun 15, 2016

Highest - 1 month or so after it was released. Lowest, mid June 2016.

I'm usually guaranteed to miss a deal or buy something just before it goes on sale. Seems I got lucky with the Evo though.

 

[Parramatta]

It's not just SSDs, it's high-capacity USB sticks like the 512GB - all much more expensive than when they debuted. There's three concurrent factors: a NAND shortage in Asia, a depressed pound post-Brexit, and an overhaul slowing in innovation. We're no longer getting storage doubling every two years for the same price or less.

 

[Oussebon]

I hadn't heard about the NAND shortage but it doesn't come as a surprise in the context of the prices. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ssd-hdd-shortage-nand-market,news-54328.html

 

[Parramatta]

Add to that, Intel's Tick-Tock CPU launch cycle is shot - longer delays, only very minor clock-speed improvements, and more CPU generations on the same die-size.

The upside to all this, is that if you invest in a good system today, it won't go out of date for the best part of a decade!!
In the 1990s, your £5,000 high-end kit would be outdated rubbish by the end of year #2.

Judging by a close examination of tech releases and prices, the slow-down started in about 2012/13.

Even mobile phones have stopped rapidly improving - storage, camera MP, battery-life, pixel density are more-or-the-less the same from 2015, 2016, and 2017.

 

[Oussebon]

In fairness Intel's tick tock cycle has been "shot" since 2012 with Ivy bridge being the first in the 22nm families that saw a tick, a tock, and an optimisation phase. If tick-tock started in 2006, and tick-tock-optimisation started in 2012, that's not too shocking.

I think the slow down in Intel's progress has as much to do with competition (lack thereof) as it does with physics.

GPU innovation is still continuing. For all the criticisms of Pascal and its "Paxwell" nature, its efficiency has brought desktop gaming to laptops beyond the desktop GTX 980 extreme level we saw at the end of the last gen. Although certain Vega and Volta have seen their share of delays.

I'm not sure it's all ground to a halt just yet. How else would they sell us new things?

 

[Parramatta]

It's not stopped, it's just slowing, that's all.
Extrapolate it forward, and we'll see longer and longer waits between ever smaller improvements.
Had it continued at the same pace as 1990-2005 or so, we'd be up to 8TB SSDs by now costing a couple of hundred quid.

2005, for me anyway, was the year that you could buy the most (then) high-end system for the least amount of outlay. In other words, if you bought the best of everything, it'd be the least cost.

There's all sorts of ways to analyse the pace of technology: die-size intervals, transistors, GHz, storage GB/£, total system cost, Moore's Law, etc. But somewhere between 2011-2014, the slow-down started happening. I hope it speeds up again, but I fear not. Physics trumps economics.

Yes, GPUs are still the area with the most improvement. The least would be storage - 4TB, 8TB, 10TB, 12TB, the % increases are getting smaller, for higher prices, and often they have slower RPM speeds.

 

[Oussebon]

I wouldn't really say the slow down started happening between 2011 and 2014 for SSDs. I remember SSDs from around 2010/2011, the expense involved, the brands that had a 10% DOA rate. It was a legitimate question as to whether they were worth buying. Fast forward to 2014 and you had SSDs with very high performance and endurance at large capacities for affordable prices. People used to turn off indexing to preserve lifespan. Now you can write a couple of petabytes to the drives before killing them.

In 2016 we saw PCIe NVMe SSDs offering SSDs 4-6 times as fast for the same price as their sata counterparts.

I don't really buy into the general tech advancement Gotterdammerung spiel, but perhaps I just have low standards. The pace may well be a bit slower, but I think anyone buying a top end PC now and expecting it to last them 10 years rather than the usual ~5 before they want a high performance replacement is out of their nut.

Intel may have been somewhat stagnant, but with games and other software getting a bit less single threaded it's still felt like progress in that regard. While as you say physics trumps economics, Intel being able to sell 10 core CPUs at $1800 isn't a reflection of physics, it's a reflection of competition. The chunks they were happily able to slash off when Ryzen appeared is testament to that. I won't pretend to armchair-CEO Intel, but I can't believe the reason we haven't seen multicore CPUs become offered at mainstream prices in regular household desktops, as Ryzen will be with R5, is more due to physics than economics.

2005, for me anyway, was the year that you could buy the most (then) high-end system for the least amount of outlay. In other words, if you bought the best of everything, it'd be the least cost.

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Yes, GPUs are still the area with the most improvement.

As an aside this may be of interest if you'd not seen it before http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics...price-history-high-end-nvidia-gpus-tabulated/

Agreed about the HDD situation.

 

[rav007]

I remember back in 2013 there was a fire in some factory in China which was supposed to trigger an increase in SSD prices but the exact opposite happened! That's around when I bought in to SSDs because they dropped in price quite significantly over a few months, like 50% price drop. I recall the Plextor branded 128GB MSATA being steady throughout, at around £100 which i thought was insane! Then the £256GB MSATA SSDs from Samsung dropped to like £80, and the 128gb ones to £60.

SSDs couldnt have remained that expensive though. I read somewhere else that theres a projection for 2020 or 2025 that SSDs will become cheaper per GB than HDDs... but I can't find the source. I thought I had bookmarked it.

I too think its strange that people try to "futureproof" beyond 5 years, but similarly I think if companies are forcing prices on their products like £600 for a near top-end GPU, they are being stupid if they think that's sustainable long-term. It feels like game system requirements are progressing faster so people seem to upgrade more often too. I know a few people who literally upgraded from a GTX970 to a GTX1080Ti, their previous upgrade was from a 580 or 680... from which they got a few years.

The pricing structure is also weird, where in the top-end cards, its the middle one thats usually best value, the GTX X70 previously and 1060 now (given the 1050 and 1050Ti also make the GTX gaming family). Intel does the same, with the 7700k being around the best value as if you go higher, 6800k and 6900k are so much more expensive it hurts. It's just robbery at that point.. At least AMD has the right idea with RYZEN though. The best performance product should be best value per performance in my eyes, otherwise theres no real incentive to buy it other than bragging rights, followed by crying because you realised what you just did to your bank account.