Thoughts on this build please

[benmay1]

Hi, I have a question about the cases that come with rear fans.

So, say if I select a case that has a rear fan that comes with it, if I scroll down and pick the maximum amount of additional fans I can add into the case, will that replace the rear fan that comes with the case or not. For example if the maximum fans for a case is 3 and I select the 3 additional fans will that add on from the rear fans that comes with the case (so there would be 4 fans in the case) or would it just replace the rear fan, if this is right can I just select 2 additional fans and the rear fan that comes with the case would make the maximum 3 fans?

Hope you understand what I’m saying, thanks for your help.

 

[benmay1]

Case
CIT PYRO RGB MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i3 Quad Core Processor i3-10105F (3.70GHz) 6MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B460M-A (Micro-ATX, LGA1200, USB 3.2) - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2400MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1650 - HDMI
1st M.2 SSD Drive
256GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 450W CV SERIES™ CV-450 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 120 Series RGB High Performance Liquid Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
4 x CoolerMaster SickleFlow 120 ARGB + Controller Kit
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 11 to 13 working days
Price: £740.00 including VAT and Delivery

Can I get thoughts on this build? I am on a budget of around 700 pounds, thanks.

 

[Salmon Fisher]

Do you need that many cooling fans? 😁 Seriously though, what are you aiming to use this pc for, what sort of games? What monitor are you going to use? Is there any wriggle room in the budget?

 

[Scott]

I would definitely hold off for some advice as that is not a well configured build unfortunately.

Here's some good info to help us along with your build

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[benmay1]

I would definitely hold off for some advice as that is not a well configured build unfortunately.

Here's some good info to help us along with your build

Please read before posting:- Collaboration of Helpful Hints

NB: These forums are not an official support channel. None of us work for PCS, we're all either customers or techies who just like to help out where possible. For any official support, you need to contact PCS directly either through your PCS account, or via the contact details on the main...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Do you need that many cooling fans? 😁 Seriously though, what are you aiming to use this pc for, what sort of games? What monitor are you going to use? Is there any wriggle room in the budget?

I am just using the pc for gaming. My monitor is a MSI 1080p, 144hz, AMD freesync, 1MS response time, curved.

 

[DarkyDankness]

I am just using the pc for gaming. My monitor is a MSI 1080p, 144hz, AMD freesync, 1MS response time, curved.

What sort of games will you be playing? Most components on this setup are quite a few generations old, are you able to expand the budget? MY biggest issue is that you wont be able to upgrade your computer in the future so while it may be under £800 you'd just be spending money which will be an investment lost instantly.

 

[benmay1]

What sort of games will you be playing? Most components on this setup are quite a few generations old, are you able to expand the budget? MY biggest issue is that you wont be able to upgrade your computer in the future so while it may be under £800 you'd just be spending money which will be an investment lost instantly.

Yes but I thought I could use PC specialist feature where they let you send back your PC for an upgrade. Games like minecraft, cod, forza, Fifa, and maybe Fortnite

 

[SpyderTracks]

Yes but I thought I could use PC specialist feature where they let you send back your PC for an upgrade. Games like minecraft, cod, forza, Fifa, and maybe Fortnite

But you have to pay for those upgrades and this system is not designed to support upgrades. So you'd just be paying significantly more than you need to for lesser performance

The point of a decent PC is that the platform is designed so that it doesn't need upgrading during the lifetime of the PC. If anything does, then it's designed poorly. Also the platform needs to be able to support upgrades, this one isn't able to for various reasons.

 

[benmay1]

But you have to pay for those upgrades and this system is not designed to support upgrades. So you'd just be paying significantly more than you need to for lesser performance

The point of a decent PC is that the platform is designed so that it doesn't need upgrading during the lifetime of the PC. If anything does, then it's designed poorly. Also the platform needs to be able to support upgrades, this one isn't able to for various reasons.

Wouldn’t PC specialists change the motherboard for me if I select a better one if I upgrade. I would select one that supports better cpus. I know it’s not ideal but with my budget, I might have to go with what I have got and send it back for upgrades when I can.

 

[DarkyDankness]

Wouldn’t PC specialists change the motherboard for me if I select a better one if I upgrade. I would select one that supports better cpus. I know it’s not ideal but with my budget, I might have to go with what I have got and send it back for upgrades when I can.

You are looking to pay for almost a whole new system again which could be double the costs, its not worth it. Its far more cheaper to shell out a bit more now for a good build which you can upgrade component by component. If you by a z6/590 motherboard you'd only need to upgrade your cpu as next gen will also work for this chipset. Do you see what i mean?

 

[benmay1]

You are looking to pay for almost a whole new system again which could be double the costs, its not worth it. Its far more cheaper to shell out a bit more now for a good build which you can upgrade component by component. If you by a z6/590 motherboard you'd only need to upgrade your cpu as next gen will also work for this chipset. Do you see what i mean?

Yes but the motherboard I have selected supports up to i7 10700kf and that for me Is good because I don’t have the biggest budget. But I guess I could change to a B560M DS3H so I could get that 11th gen.

 

[Salmon Fisher]

See if you can stretch to the i5 11400F, this time last year it was hailed as THE budget gaming chip. Pair it with faster RAM and a 1660 (or better) and you'll be better off. The sad truth is that these days £700.00 gets you very little I'm afraid.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Wouldn’t PC specialists change the motherboard for me if I select a better one if I upgrade. I would select one that supports better cpus. I know it’s not ideal but with my budget, I might have to go with what I have got and send it back for upgrades when I can.

PCS don't do motherboard upgrades as it's an entire system rebuild, you're also limited to that chipsets availability which by the time you come to upgrading will not be stocked.

 

[DarkyDankness]

I have to admit and im not even able to alter the ideal build for you... For £700 i simply could not put one together, the base starting point offered with just a z590 starts you off between £400-£500 is that definitely you're fixed budget? Help me help you and ill try to make it as tightly budgeted as i can.

 

[benmay1]

PCS don't do motherboard upgrades as it's an entire system rebuild, you're also limited to that chipsets availability which by the time you come to upgrading will not be stocked.

Ah ok that’s really helpful thanks

 

[benmay1]

I have to admit and im not even able to alter the ideal build for you... For £700 i simply could not put one together, the base starting point offered with just a z590 starts you off between £400-£500 is that definitely you're fixed budget? Help me help you and ill try to make it as tightly budgeted as i can.

Try and keep it under 900 pound how about that? Or put one together that’s as close to my budget as possible but is an acceptable gaming pc.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Sometimes, it's better just to accept that it's not possible at the budget, and it's worth saving more.

The sacrifice you make by going below certain core components is zero upgradeablity, so where it may cost less, it will only be useable for a few years instead of 7 - 10 years, so actually the cost is massively increased. Plus all this while having a very poor experience.

Sometimes it's more helpful to admit that it's just not possible. Prices are the highest they've ever been at the moment, but even before the price surge, £700 would not have been recommended for an entry level gaming build.

I would suggest saving up more until you have at least £1200 with current pricing.

 

[SpyderTracks]

This would be the lowest you'd want to go, this is with integrated graphics, so you'd have to reduce settings to low and performance wouldn't be great, but the idea is that at a time when you can get one, you get a dedicated GPU and just slot it in, then you get proper gaming performance. But the point of this is that the platform is strong and upgradeable so will last a full lifetime of 7-10 years with GPU upgrades during that time.

Case
FRACTAL FOCUS G BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600G Six Core CPU with Radeon™ Graphics (3.9GHz-4.4GHz/19MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
NONE, I ALREADY HAVE A GRAPHICS CARD
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2200 MB/R, 1500 MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 11 to 13 working days
Price: £909.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/eVU3aADGDj/

 

[Salmon Fisher]

That's a good,solid build.

 

[benmay1]

This would be the lowest you'd want to go, this is with integrated graphics, so you'd have to reduce settings to low and performance wouldn't be great, but the idea is that at a time when you can get one, you get a dedicated GPU and just slot it in, then you get proper gaming performance. But the point of this is that the platform is strong and upgradeable so will last a full lifetime of 7-10 years with GPU upgrades during that time.

Case
FRACTAL FOCUS G BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600G Six Core CPU with Radeon™ Graphics (3.9GHz-4.4GHz/19MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
NONE, I ALREADY HAVE A GRAPHICS CARD
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2200 MB/R, 1500 MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 11 to 13 working days
Price: £909.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/eVU3aADGDj/

Ok thanks for your help guys, really appreciate it.