15.6" Clevo sporting GTX1080?
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keynes
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I don't think it would be a significant difference for cooling. A gpu could fail at any time regardless of the chassis, best thing to do is to go for gold warranty to cover parts for 2 years.
keynes
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There would always be something better in the future. If understand right you want the gtx 1060 regardless of the chassis? That wouldn't matter much gaming wise if it is the same gpu.
Most GTX1060 laptops are designed to be slim and portable, I don't care about that stuff. My gaming interest don't demand anything more than a GTX1060 but I don't need extreme portability, I care more about thermals and longevity. And I doubt there'll be any groundbreaking upgrades anytime soon, I'm just waiting for manufacturers to find a 15.6" (or lower) solution for GTX1080 gaming.
I might eventually have to settle with the 15.6" Octane III but it doesn't have ThunderboltTM 3 combo port (Type-C) and it looks so dead compared to the design of the 17.3" which CAN handle a GTX1080.
Otherwise, the only viable option would be the 15.6" MSI GT62VR 6RE Dominator Pro but they're sadly not configurable. Or maybe any one of the Asus ROG Strix series notebooks.
I might eventually have to settle with the 15.6" Octane III but it doesn't have ThunderboltTM 3 combo port (Type-C) and it looks so dead compared to the design of the 17.3" which CAN handle a GTX1080.
Otherwise, the only viable option would be the 15.6" MSI GT62VR 6RE Dominator Pro but they're sadly not configurable. Or maybe any one of the Asus ROG Strix series notebooks.
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Guess it does have Thunderbolt after all, sweet. Thanks.
Yes. In fact, I much prefer its design over the Octane's. But it seems to have quite a few quirks, including heat problems, as I've read from its reviews. I've a budget up to £1,700 and so I'd like as little compromise as possible.
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Can you please link the source where you read about the heat problems? I only saw one article of the Defiance II in a stress test on the CPU which maxed the CPU at 100C and the external temp of the case at the bottom reached 76C, but in terms of GPU it reached some 70C, and the case was in the 40s or low 50s which seemed reasonable. Plus this is a stress test. There are Defiance II reviews on the forum too, one of which is here: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/foru...II-15-6-quot-review&highlight=defiance+review and this user said the defiance II CPU temps reached 57C in game, so the externals will have been around 45 to 50 max.
With the dual fans cooling the GPU and the fact the GTX 1060 is scheduled to release in much thinner cases, I think the Defiance III will be fine at keeping it cool personally. I don't think it has officially been received by anyone yet though hence the lack of reviews. I am waiting for a review on temps too though.
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I can't recall my sources but I remember a few reviews saying things along the lines of "temperatures becoming uncomfortably hot" though none mentioned anything extreme. But I've only ever seen one review of an Octane user complaining about heat.
This link below is an extensive review of the Octane II and its heat benchmarks are remarkable!
http://www.kitguru.net/lifestyle/laptops/leo-waldock/pc-specialist-octane-ii-laptop-review/
But more than that, the Defiance (or at least last year's model) seems to have quite a few compromises. Many complain that the rear panel is "difficult and time-consuming to remove" due to the number of screws keeping the laptop tight. And many more complain that its screen casing is "wobbly and unstable" which, to be honest, shouldn't really be much of a problem. Furthermore, the Defiance's keyboard is a little spaced out making it more prone to dust and dirt whilst the Octane has a rubberised layer over its keyboard - it can otherwise be rather inconvenient if enough builds up under the keys.
This link below is an extensive review of the Octane II and its heat benchmarks are remarkable!
http://www.kitguru.net/lifestyle/laptops/leo-waldock/pc-specialist-octane-ii-laptop-review/
But more than that, the Defiance (or at least last year's model) seems to have quite a few compromises. Many complain that the rear panel is "difficult and time-consuming to remove" due to the number of screws keeping the laptop tight. And many more complain that its screen casing is "wobbly and unstable" which, to be honest, shouldn't really be much of a problem. Furthermore, the Defiance's keyboard is a little spaced out making it more prone to dust and dirt whilst the Octane has a rubberised layer over its keyboard - it can otherwise be rather inconvenient if enough builds up under the keys.
It's likely most of these problem would've been attended to with the newer models but I guess we'll find out. Looking forward to your review.
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I remember being in that position with a new laptop on that way. I'm really excited for you right now.
Just watched this, Leo Waldock is big news! I like his reviews in general.
I've never seen an in-depth review of the Octane like this before, I realised when he opened it up, it's basically like my Vortex (Clevo P150SM) on the inside, with a single fan for the CPU and a single fan for the GPU. But the difference is the CPU and GPU both share a heatsink on the Octane, on my laptop they are isolated. There are other differences too, but for the most part it looks like the Octane replaced the premium version of mine, whereas the Defiance is a slimmer and less "premium" version.
It's interesting in that review the laptop is really quiet, because mine gets really loud and had a 765m and an i7 4700mq. I think that shows the progression of maxwell from kepler in terms of heat dissipation. So if a 765m is much louder to cool in a similar cooling configuration than a 970m, I wonder how a GTX 1060 will fare. I think it should be fine in the defiance if you extrapolate those results, but thats only a prediction.
EDIT: I have done some more digging and found this image: http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachments/5df69bcc46228cb74847565947b33f7c-jpg.138026/
found on this link: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...2-s-owners-lounge.795090/page-9#post-10322769
Similarly, the following was posted by another user:
Initial Impression:
This is my first gaming laptop and first new laptop in awhile (5 years). The 8658 is sleek and seems to be pretty solid. I took it apart tight away and put in a 500gb SSD which makes everything snappy. Installing Win10 drivers were a breeze.
Only problem with my unit is the slight back light bleed on the lower left side.. I don't mind light bleed when it is in the corner, but this is a sold 3 inches from the corner..
The hinges, key board, and build seem good. The unit is slightly audible during idle, but you literally need to listen for it. During load it gets a bit louder as the fans ramp up, but once again it's not bad at all.. Doesn't feel like the computer is a jet plane or anything.
Basic Tests:
6700HQ (stock) Prime95 Blend - Highest Temp 70 Degrees
980m (stock) 3DMark D11 Basic Edition - Highest Temp 68 Degrees, Graphics Score 11845, Physics Score 7132, Combined Score 6759
These are from a Clevo P650 thread which captures all the variants from the 970m to the 1070. So I guess what this tells me is through CPU stress tests, the temps cap between 70 and 86C which is a big range for this same CPU (6700hq) but very reasonable temperature values from stress testing. The GPU temps ranging from 68C in 3DMark D11 to 73C using furmark (two different machines, 2 different testers). The one from the image is actually from yesterday, the spec of the user's laptop is with GTX 1070 and that's what hit 73C. Food for thought until more results come
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Interesting. I'm just hoping to see something from midnightL soon but, in the meantime, I've been looking at them "Dominator" notebooks. By the way, can you only buy Pascal laptops online? The only real retailer in my area is Currys PC World, they're a pretty big deal yet they don't have any laptops sporting the GTX 1000 series. It'd be nice to get a first-hand look before making any purchases.
As of right now though, my only options from PCS are the following:
15.6" Defiance III
Defiance Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core (Mobile) Processor 6700HQ (2.6GHz) 6MB L3 Cache
4GB HyperX IMPACT 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 4GB)
Nvidia® GeForce® GTX 1060 - 6.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM, DirectX® 12.1, G-SYNC
512GB Samsung PM951 M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 1050MB/R, 560MB/W)
Gigabit LAN & Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 M.2 Gaming 802.11AC + Bluetooth 4.1
£1,322
^Preferred screen size. Cool and discreet chassis design. Also, it's nice and cheap.
15.6" Octane III
Octane Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-6600 (3.3GHz) 6MB Cache
4GB HyperX IMPACT 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 4GB)
Nvidia® GeForce® GTX 1060 - 6.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM, DirectX® 12.1, G-SYNC
512GB Samsung PM951 M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 1050MB/R, 560MB/W)
Gigabit LAN & Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 M.2 Gaming 802.11AC + Bluetooth 4.1
£1,411
^Preferred screen size. G-Sync and rubberised layer over keyboard.
17.3" Octane III
Octane Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-6600 (3.3GHz) 6MB Cache
4GB HyperX IMPACT 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 4GB)
Nvidia® GeForce® GTX 1060 - 6.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM, DirectX® 12.1, G-SYNC
512GB Samsung PM951 M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 1050MB/R, 560MB/W)
Gigabit LAN & Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 M.2 Gaming 802.11AC + Bluetooth 4.1
£1,509
^G-Sync, rubberised layer over keyboard and can handle a GTX1080.
They all include the better thermal paste, 30 day dead pixel guarantee and silver warranty. Furthermore, for each of the aforementioned, I'm planning to buy and install myself a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD and an additional 4GB RAM module which comes around to an additional cost of ~£147. This is because PCS don't offer a (2x4GB) 8GB configuration nor the 500GB SSD I like. But this also means that I'll need easy access to their interiors.
As of right now though, my only options from PCS are the following:
15.6" Defiance III
Defiance Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core (Mobile) Processor 6700HQ (2.6GHz) 6MB L3 Cache
4GB HyperX IMPACT 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 4GB)
Nvidia® GeForce® GTX 1060 - 6.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM, DirectX® 12.1, G-SYNC
512GB Samsung PM951 M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 1050MB/R, 560MB/W)
Gigabit LAN & Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 M.2 Gaming 802.11AC + Bluetooth 4.1
£1,322
^Preferred screen size. Cool and discreet chassis design. Also, it's nice and cheap.
15.6" Octane III
Octane Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-6600 (3.3GHz) 6MB Cache
4GB HyperX IMPACT 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 4GB)
Nvidia® GeForce® GTX 1060 - 6.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM, DirectX® 12.1, G-SYNC
512GB Samsung PM951 M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 1050MB/R, 560MB/W)
Gigabit LAN & Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 M.2 Gaming 802.11AC + Bluetooth 4.1
£1,411
^Preferred screen size. G-Sync and rubberised layer over keyboard.
17.3" Octane III
Octane Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-6600 (3.3GHz) 6MB Cache
4GB HyperX IMPACT 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 4GB)
Nvidia® GeForce® GTX 1060 - 6.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM, DirectX® 12.1, G-SYNC
512GB Samsung PM951 M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 1050MB/R, 560MB/W)
Gigabit LAN & Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 M.2 Gaming 802.11AC + Bluetooth 4.1
£1,509
^G-Sync, rubberised layer over keyboard and can handle a GTX1080.
They all include the better thermal paste, 30 day dead pixel guarantee and silver warranty. Furthermore, for each of the aforementioned, I'm planning to buy and install myself a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD and an additional 4GB RAM module which comes around to an additional cost of ~£147. This is because PCS don't offer a (2x4GB) 8GB configuration nor the 500GB SSD I like. But this also means that I'll need easy access to their interiors.
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Maybe also keep an eye on the thread I posted earlier too, as people are posting on that as they receive the Defiance III laptop (as sold by PCS or otherwise).
Also I believe the Defiance III monitor has GSync too, I think it's just the normal 1080p panel that doesnt but the 15.6in FHD IPS panels do I think. I'm basing this on basically looking at every other competitor's information which states the IPS monitor has GSync capabilities.
It would also be a slap in the face for PCS to market the GPU with "GSync" on a laptop and not give you a GSync monitor built in.
Also I believe the Defiance III monitor has GSync too, I think it's just the normal 1080p panel that doesnt but the 15.6in FHD IPS panels do I think. I'm basing this on basically looking at every other competitor's information which states the IPS monitor has GSync capabilities.
It would also be a slap in the face for PCS to market the GPU with "GSync" on a laptop and not give you a GSync monitor built in.
Mind linking your thread? And any other relevant ones?
Looking at the "features" and "detailed specification" of the Defiance III, I don't see anything promoting G-Sync on this laptop.
Currently following this thread for all P650RS builds: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...2-s-owners-lounge.795090/page-9#post-10322769 The defiance III is officially called the P650RS-6 on PCS website.
Mods may edit out this link but it isn't to promote, its for comparing only and it's an american site so I seriously doubt anyone would use it from this forum: https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP8152.html Just look at the specifications page it says under displays:
15.6” FHD (1920x1080) Matte Display
15.6” FHD (1920x1080) IPS Matte Display with G-SYNC Technology
And that is the model that has the G-SYNC as an "option". It seems the regular matte display then is not G-SYNC capable but the IPS panel is. It is the same laptop as the Defiance III and the PCS specs state the FHD panel is IPS. As this is a fixed unit built by Clevo, it must be the same G-Sync enabled IPS panel. Also the GPU option you select in the configurator on PCS says "G-Sync" in the selection box for both the 1060 and 1070. Why would they if the laptop monitor itself can't do G-Sync?
I can't link any of the others because they're direct PCS competitors in the UK, but if you google around you should find them quite easily.