Advice needed.

Hello,

Before I start I'd just like to say I've been a PCS customer for about 13 years, used them for mine, my parents, and my step sons builds all with no problems, and recently got some amazing customer service after botching (what should have been) a simple RAM upgrade.

So as I said I've had my laptop for around 13 years and long story short, I've since become a semi-professional 3d games artist and animator, my old laptop which was massively overpowered on CPU, and massively under powered on GPU isn't cutting it for some software I need to use - specifically Substance Painter, though I also use Blender, previously 3ds Max... my old laptop has quad core I7's but only onboard graphics so crashes every time I start Substance. It runs Blender with no problem, but Renders can take a while (there are a whole slew of things that affect this besides spec but if I'm updating for one I might as well do both). Upgrading is a massive headache for me as I have some software that I don't know if I can still get, and setup/add-ons that will take hours to re-configure, unfortunately using Substance is pretty much a necessity to move forward with my work.

After much research I found a set of specs I want, that balance out my CPU/GPU with budget, and still allow me to get what I need. The short list version of which are these:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 8-core
RAM: 32 GB
GPU: GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB
SSD: M2 NVMe 500 GB
OS: Windows 11 Home 64 Bit
Monitor: IPS Panel, Matte, Full HD, LED

Budget-wise I was hoping to get something near the £1000 mark, or at least below £1500 (not including monitor)

I thought I'd found a system that perfectly matched what I wanted on this site:
[Link Redacted] Cube Epic - AMD Ryzen 7 5700G GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming PC
(I'm not sure if it'll save the spec in that link)... but then read many awful reviews of their complete lack of customer service and general buying nightmares/shoddy parts that were used and not as expected etc.

Despite a bit of a price difference I would prefer to stay with PCS and so tried to configure something similar. Please note that aside from the working components previously specified I don't need or want any fancy showy stuff, this isn't a 'gaming PC' and I don't need RGB lights on anything, or glass panels on the case just the most basic one that does the job and is compatible with everything, which is also usually the cheapest.

In the process of configuring the setup (listed below) some questions came up which I couldn't find an answer to so was hoping some of you clever people might know:

1. Firstly, the motherboard, the default option that was already in there is not the cheapest. The cheapest on the list is an ASUS PRIME A520M-K: Micro-ATX, AM4, USB 3.0, 6 GB/s... I don't know if that's compatible with the case and parts, does it matter that it's a Micro-ATX?

2. The power supply default was 450w, and when I proceeded it told me I need 550w minimum for the GPU, is having the minimum fine or should I go a bit over like a 650w?

3. A compatibility warning came up about the monitor "this monitor only supports a full size DP connection you may, dependant on Graphics card choice, need to order a mDP to DP monitor cable"... I couldn't see this info on the GPU to know if it's compatible. Does it matter whether I connect with DP or HDMI? Is either better than the other? Also, does anyone know if that monitor is Matte?

Thank you for taking the time to read and any help you can offer.
Chris

Case
PCS 3601 CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 5700G Eight Core CPU with Radeon™ Graphics (3.8GHz-4.6GHz/20MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE B550 GAMING X V2 : DDR4, USB 3.2 - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (3300 MB/R, 2200 MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W CV SERIES™ CV-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Monitor
ASUS VP229HE 21.5"
 
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AgentCooper

At Least I Have Chicken
Moderator
Hi Chris, welcome to the forum. Do you need to pull the trigger on this build ASAP or has your current system got enough grunt to keep you going for a little while longer? We’re soon to be awash in a sea of new processors and due information on the upcoming range of GPUs. If you can hold off ordering for the time being you’re likely to be in a position where you can get a lot more bang for the buck 🙂👍
 

SpyderTracks

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Hi, thanks. I read that's coming end of September, I can probably hold off for now. Would existing parts become cheaper?
Not to the point where they'd be worth it.

The upcoming Ryzen 7600x which is the equivalent of the current 5600x is around £270 and will outperform the current 5950x which is £550. The 5950x is not going to reduce below £270, not a chance.
 
Hm that's a shame, could really do with saving some money at the moment lol. Thanks though.

As far as my research led me to believe one of the main things I need is VRAM, so a RTX 3060 with 12 GB, is better than a 3070 with 8 GB, is that right or am I mistaken?

Any advice regarding these:

1. Firstly, the motherboard, the default option that was already in there is not the cheapest. The cheapest on the list is an ASUS PRIME A520M-K: Micro-ATX, AM4, USB 3.0, 6 GB/s... I don't know if that's compatible with the case and parts, does it matter that it's a Micro-ATX?
2. The power supply default was 450w, and when I proceeded it told me I need 550w minimum for the GPU, is having the minimum fine or should I go a bit over like a 650w?
3. A compatibility warning came up about the monitor "this monitor only supports a full size DP connection you may, dependant on Graphics card choice, need to order a mDP to DP monitor cable"... I couldn't see this info on the GPU to know if it's compatible. Does it matter whether I connect with DP or HDMI? Is either better than the other? Also, does anyone know if that monitor is Matte?

(Sorry, realise it was a long read.)
 
Hello,

I need an upgrade for my 3d work and I'll need to use Blender and Substance Painter, I do 3d modelling, rendering, animation, lighting, sculpting and texture painting, I've done a bit of research and put this together. My budget is about £1500, I don't care about lights or any showy stuff.

I don't know if the motherboard matters so left it at the default.
I've picked that GPU as VRAM is very important for Substance and although there's newer ones they seem to have less VRAM.
The monitor needs to be IPS, matte, full hd.

Is this a good setup or is there anything I could improve for little/no additional cost?

Thank you for any help.

Case
PCS 3601 CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 5700G Eight Core CPU with Radeon™ Graphics (3.8GHz-4.6GHz/20MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE B550 GAMING X V2 : DDR4, USB 3.2 - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W CV SERIES™ CV-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Monitor
ASUS VP229HE 21.5"
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £1,484.00 including VAT and Delivery
 

TonyCarter

VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
The problem we have is that we don’t want to recommend last gen CPU, RAM and motherboards when the new CPUs are much faster…or better value.

However, the more budget oriented motherboards are not available yet, so you have to buy the top-end motherboards for double the price…along with expensive DDR5 RAM…and as the new CPUs run hotter, and use more power, you then have to spend more on the AIO and PSU.

The cheapest I could get was almost £2k…without a monitor:
Case
PCS SPECTRUM G ARGB MID TOWER CASE​
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Six Core CPU (4.7GHz-5.3GHz/38MB CACHE/AM5)​
Motherboard
GIGABYTE X670 GAMING X AX : ATX (WIFI 6E, USB 3.2 Gen 1, PCIe 5.0) - ARGB Ready!​
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)​
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP, LHR​
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)​
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMe SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET​
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)​
Processor Cooling
Corsair iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX RGB Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler​
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING​
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)​
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT​
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS​
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00027]​
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language​
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account​
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)​
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE​
Browser
Microsoft® Edge​
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)​
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)​
Build Time
Standard Build - Subject to stock availability on pre-order products​
Price: £1,987.00 including VAT and Delivery​
 
...but I'm not buying any of the new gen stuff as I don't have the budget for it.

I still have the following questions:

1. Is the RTX 3060 with 12 GB VRAM better than a higher model (Ti or 3070) with only 8 GB VRAM? In the context of using it for Substance Painter (which apparently needs higher VRAM, over say speed)
2. Does the motherboard being a Micro ATX matter at all in terms of parts connected to it, as in will it make a difference to overheating or being less capable than another motherboard?
3. Is DP or HDMI better for the monitor cable or matter at all?
4. Is the monitor I selected a matte screen?

Thank you.
 
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