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I must've read something comparing to single stick performance or something like that then.... or maybe just cos there were issues with 4 sticks 3600MHz?

I was convinced 2 sticks was the preferred configuration!
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Ash_

Master Poster
Could be different these days but the 3200MHz Vengeance RAM in my system bought in January 2020 has a CAS Latency of 16

If the 3200mhz is C16 and the 3600mhz is C18, then we should all be recommending the 3200mhz 😮

unless both are the same ofc
 
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...You know how to tempt a gal into playing with his xmp profiles for 3600MHz CL16, dontcha lol

PCS will tell us if we ask them, thats how I know the 3600MHz I got would be CL18.
Thanks for the bit on the 4 vs 2...i've got a 3800XT so thats obviously where thats come from them. Didnt realise the 5000's changed the situation.
 

Bigfoot

Grand Master
I believe each reduction in CL results in something like 1% improvement, so 16 is 2% better than 18 (although i’m not sure if that is also with differing mhz speeds).

In comparison, a 3070 is say a 25% (not sure on the exact amount. Just an example) improvement on the 3060ti... under normal pricing, the difference should be £80 or so (currently not the case), where as the ram pricing is £40 between 16-18. So generally, ram is an uneconomical upgrade once you’re above say 3200mhz C18, unless it’s your only bottleneck.
I don’t think you are right about the effects of CL, which I believe amounts to the number of clock cycles delay in accessing memory. This would mean that, all else being equal, CL16 would be about 11% faster than CL18 at the same memory speed. What you would experience in the real world may not be as great. I read on a previous thread that PCS 3200 RAM was CL16, while 3600 was CL18.

The access delay in this scenario would be the same for 3200 CL16 as 3600 CL18. I believe that the 3600 will allow the Infinity Fabric to run at a higher speed than the 3200, but don’t know what this will do in the real world.
 

Ash_

Master Poster
I don’t think you are right about the effects of CL, which I believe amounts to the number of clock cycles delay in accessing memory. This would mean that, all else being equal, CL16 would be about 11% faster than CL18 at the same memory speed. What you would experience in the real world may not be as great. I read on a previous thread that PCS 3200 RAM was CL16, while 3600 was CL18.

The access delay in this scenario would be the same for 3200 CL16 as 3600 CL18. I believe that the 3600 will allow the Infinity Fabric to run at a higher speed than the 3200, but don’t know what this will do in the real world.
There is absolutely not a chance that the real world difference, between CL16 and CL18 is 11%. The clock cycle between them is 11%, but ram contributes little to a systems capability, therefore if it is 10%, the 11% increase would only make it 1.1% better in real terms.

Obviously if your ram is not good... high latency or low speed, it will bottleneck your cpu and the cpu’s system importance is much higher, so a ram bottleneck could very well cause a major issue. But assuming it is a balance build of say:
5800x
X570
3070
980 pro
then ram c16 vs c18 and 3200 vs 3600 just isn’t a major factor.

It would be interesting though to find out everyones ram speed.
 

Bigfoot

Grand Master
There is absolutely not a chance that the real world difference, between CL16 and CL18 is 11%. The clock cycle between them is 11%, but ram contributes little to a systems capability, therefore if it is 10%, the 11% increase would only make it 1.1% better in real terms.

Obviously if your ram is not good... high latency or low speed, it will bottleneck your cpu and the cpu’s system importance is much higher, so a ram bottleneck could very well cause a major issue. But assuming it is a balance build of say:
5800x
X570
3070
980 pro
then ram c16 vs c18 and 3200 vs 3600 just isn’t a major factor.

It would be interesting though to find out everyones ram speed.
I didn’t say it would be 11% faster in the real world. I was just explaining what the CL means in terms of memory access time. I actually said that you wouldn’t see this in reality.
 

Ash_

Master Poster
I didn’t say it would be 11% faster in the real world. I was just explaining what the CL means in terms of memory access time. I actually said that you wouldn’t see this in reality.
I know you weren’t saying that, but you said i was wrong, which i don’t believe i am (not based off what i have read anyway).

Memory access time being 11% faster, doesn’t mean an 11% improvement though. I didn’t say CL16 is 2% faster than CL18, i said it would be roughly a 2% improvement (as in to your whole system).

Maybe it weren’t clear, but i was talking about an improvement to the system overall, not an improvement over CL18 ram.

On a good setup, the cpu will always be waiting for the gpu, so cpu memory really doesn’t play a huge factor at 144hz. The improvement may be over 2% if you are trying to push say 500fps on a game like siege. I have seen memory overclocks have outrageous performance impact at 1080p high fps.
 

ASHENTI

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I didn't want to open a new thread so a quick question. If I was to order a build in the next few weeks and with the build times being what they are if prices were to drop and the build becomes cheaper do you pay the lower price? The only reason I ask is potentially build times are months as opposed to weeks.
 

Martinr36

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I didn't want to open a new thread so a quick question. If I was to order a build in the next few weeks and with the build times being what they are if prices were to drop and the build becomes cheaper do you pay the lower price? The only reason I ask is potentially build times are months as opposed to weeks.
No you pay the price it is at the time of order
 

ASHENTI

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Playing on a 165Mhz 1440p monitor. As the title suggests guys. What's the better combo for pure gaming. I've read at 1440p games are more GPU reliant hence I'm leaning to the 3070 and 5600x.

Ideally I'd go with the 5800x and 3070 but my budget won't allow.

Thoughts would be appreciated.
 

ASHENTI

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Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
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ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
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32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 16GB)
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8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
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1TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
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Researching before deciding on a final build. The CPU was the biggest decision but for 1440p purely gaming the 5600X seems to make the most sense. Anyone have any thoughts on this case? It was between it or the TD 500 Coolermaster.
 

JUNI0R

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Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler Black Edition
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
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WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
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MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
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Researching before deciding on a final build. The CPU was the biggest decision but for 1440p purely gaming the 5600X seems to make the most sense. Anyone have any thoughts on this case? It was between it or the TD 500 Coolermaster.

Bit late to the thread but thought I'd give some input, but I'm sure the absolute Guru's that have already had input on this forum will correct any mistakes in my build. 😂 Adjusting the build I've made a few changes. X570 board isn't totally necessary for the 5600X, although the 2nd Gen 4 M.2 is a nice addition for when Gen 4 prices reduce and will be a better pairing for a Ryzen 7 CPU if it's an upgrade you decide to make down the line. I haven't touched RAM because after reading the thread, I couldn't work out what was the preferred setup. The main change is storage, reducing the Gen 4 drive to a smaller but faster 500GB allows for a faster 1TB Corsair M.2 as your games drive, then the 1TB HDD is the same. I've also upgraded to a CoolerMaster 240 AIO instead of the 212 Tower Cooler. Otherwise, you're onto a solid system here!

Case wise, I haven't changed it at all. Changing to the TD 500 Mesh would take the price to £2,039. The 215 is known as more of a budget case, but is still a fantastic case for the money and with the 200mm included fans, will offer all the case fans you need. Compared to the TD500 which is a more premium case and the one I personally prefer asthetics wise. To help you make the decision I thought I'd link these two videos for you to have a watch of. Hopefully they'll help towards a decicion for you!

Lian Li 215:

Cooler Master TD 500 Mesh:

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LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR MP400 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 3480 MB/R, 1880 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 240 High Performance Liquid Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
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FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
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NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
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Google Chrome™
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Delivery
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Build Time
Standard Build - Subject to stock availability on pre-order products
Price: £2,026.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/NfV7xbeU6h/
 
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