battery drainage

[robevz]

just bought a customised gaming laptop from pc specialist (specs underneath) which was for a friend who solely intends to use it mainly for football manager...he just told me the battery drains within 40 mins surely thats not normal considering its nearly a £1000 gaming laptop

Chassis & Display Cosmos Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD 120Hz 45% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 10750H (2.6GHz, 5GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM) 16GB Corsair 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1650 - 4.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st Storage Drive 512GB PCS 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520MB/R, 450MB/W)
Memory Card Reader Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)
AC Adaptor 1 x 120W AC Adaptor
Power Cable 1 x 1 Metre Cloverleaf UK Power Cable
Battery Cosmos Series 4 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
Thermal Paste STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING

 

[SpyderTracks]

If you install hwmonitor it’s got a battery wear level reading, if that’s anything over about 10% then it’s a dud.

HWMONITOR | Softwares | CPUID

HWMonitor for Windows® x86/x64 is a hardware monitoring program that reads PC systems main health sensors : voltages, temperatures, powers, currents, fans speed, utilizations, clock speeds ... The program handles : CPU and GPU-level hardware monitoring...

www.cpuid.com

 

[robevz]

If you install hwmonitor it’s got a battery wear level reading, if that’s anything over about 10% then it’s a dud.

HWMONITOR | Softwares | CPUID

HWMonitor for Windows® x86/x64 is a hardware monitoring program that reads PC systems main health sensors : voltages, temperatures, powers, currents, fans speed, utilizations, clock speeds ... The program handles : CPU and GPU-level hardware monitoring...

www.cpuid.com

thanks buddy ill give it a try

 

[robevz]

@SpyderTracks he is going to try that hw monitor later but he said its a funny one he started a full battery at 7:13pm and its saying 1hr 2 mins 41% left but when he is playing the matches its goes quicker?

 

[SpyderTracks]

@SpyderTracks he is going to try that hw monitor later but he said its a funny one he started a full battery at 7:13pm and its saying 1hr 2 mins 41% left but when he is playing the matches its goes quicker?

It will do, any load on the laptop will reduce battery life, that's expected.

 

[robevz]

It will do, any load on the laptop will reduce battery life, that's expected.

just seems a bit strange thats all battery shouldnt go tat quick after an hour of gameplay on a brand new gaming laptop

he just didthe monitor test came out like this

 

[SpyderTracks]

Ok, so wear level seems ok, so next you need to check why the battery is running down so quick, so check what processes are running and see what's using CPU. There may be something there that shouldn't be that's using processing power without you knowing.

 

[robevz]

Ok, so wear level seems ok, so next you need to check why the battery is running down so quick, so check what processes are running and see what's using CPU. There may be something there that shouldn't be that's using processing power without you knowing.

ok mate thanks ill ask tomorrow as he has the laptop not me so it goes from message to message haha he did say he will check also tomorrow how long it takes to get from full charge to 40% so ill keep in touch

 

[robevz]

@SpyderTracks hi mate he just sent me this photo of the battery info......
i saw a hp laptop earlier worth £400 from argos with a 10hr battery life so something does not seem right here surely a custom made laptop wont have a 2 hour or hour & half batterylife

 

[SpyderTracks]

@SpyderTracks hi mate he just sent me this photo of the battery info......
i saw a hp laptop earlier worth £400 from argos with a 10hr battery life so something does not seem right here surely a custom made laptop wont have a 2 hour or hour & half batterylife

That's when running the game though, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples.

This is a gaming laptop with a dGPU, it's not going to be the same as some entry level £400 laptop with no dGPU. A dGPU is the most power hungry component in any laptop or computer. If you were to remove the dGPU from that laptop the battery probably would last about 8 hours.

2 hours when gaming sounds about right. I would have thought under normal use it would be much higher than that.

You can increase that by disabling 3d effects on FM or by disabling the dGPU in nvidia control panel for that game.

 

[robevz]

That's when running the game though, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples.

This is a gaming laptop with a dGPU, it's not going to be the same as some entry level £400 laptop with no dGPU. A dGPU is the most power hungry component in any laptop or computer. If you were to remove the dGPU from that laptop the battery probably would last about 8 hours.

2 hours when gaming sounds about right. I would have thought under normal use it would be much higher than that.

You can increase that by disabling 3d effects on FM or by disabling the dGPU in nvidia control panel for that game.

but what i dont get is its not as if fm is a shooting game or something that needs high end power to use..i dont even know what a dgpu is i just configured it to make sure all the specs were top notch so that he could play fm with ease but for 2 hours usage is appauling tbh i may have to get onto specialist themselves ive never seen a laptop drain so much playing fm your basically leaving the plug in at all times charging in order to play fm
he aint told me yet what processes aere being used in task manager ill have to find that out tomorrow but can you see what i mean for £1000 good spec 10th gen laptop it shouldnt be running empty after 2 hours

 

[SpyderTracks]

just configured it to make sure all the specs were top notch so that he could play fm with ease

Yes, that's the point.

FM doesn't need a lot of power to play if you configure it that way, but if you put all the setting to max then it uses a LOT of graphical power and will swallow battery life.

If you configure it properly and disable 3d visuals then you can stop it using the dGPU and the battery will last an awful lot longer.

 

[Tony1044]

You have a pair of video cards in your laptop. One, the inbuilt or onboard GPU is designed to be low power. It'll run day-to-day tasks like Office or even watching a video with very little effort and you'd expect a decent amount of time from your battery under those circumstances.

You also have a dedicated GPU for gaming (the dGPU that Spyder refers to). This is monstrously hungry for power by comparison. It's designed to render high detailed, high performance graphics that utilise muliple graphics processors running in very high parallelisation (i.e. all together at the same time, sharing the workload) and has dedicated, very fast, memory. You will have noticed that when you run up a game that uses this, that the fans on your laptop will start to ramp up significantly - that's because these cards also give off a lot of heat.

Higher current (more power being drawn) = more heat generated.

What you are describing sounds like perfectly normal behaviour.

You could buy a Macbook air, say, or a Chromebook and get upwards of 12 hours use from a single charge. But you wouldn't be able to play many games because the grunt simply isn't there.

It's always a trade off with laptops:

Higher spec = higher power draw = more heat = faster fans = more power drawn = lower battery life.

Lower spec = lower power draw = less heat = no gaming = longer battery life

What laptops with these hybrid graphics solutions try to do is meet a middle ground. Lower spec, lower power draw, less capable GPU for day-to-day use and kick in the dedicated GPU when needed but with the sacrifices that go along with it.

 

[robevz]

@SpyderTracks @Tony1044 thanks for the info guys id already emailed specialist about it and they actually said nobody has found a decent battery yet that can cope with gaming laptops apparently its the same for everyone so i can accept that now
i think everyone would raise the question first if they bought a new laptop which battery ran out within 2 hours haha

suppose we just have to wait until they bring a better imporved battery out

thanks again for the info & advice

 

[SpyderTracks]

@SpyderTracks @Tony1044 thanks for the info guys id already emailed specialist about it and they actually said nobody has found a decent battery yet that can cope with gaming laptops apparently its the same for everyone so i can accept that now
i think everyone would raise the question first if they bought a new laptop which battery ran out within 2 hours haha

suppose we just have to wait until they bring a better imporved battery out

thanks again for the info & advice

Like I say, if you configure the settings in FM, it won’t need to use all that power and the battery will last a lot longer.

 

[robevz]

@SpyderTracks what things specifically like where do you go on the desktop & what do you change in order to do that? i wont be physically doing it myself i will have to pass a message on to someone else so some kind of pathway would be nice =)

 

[SpyderTracks]

@SpyderTracks what things specifically like where do you go on the desktop & what do you change in order to do that? i wont be physically doing it myself i will have to pass a message on to someone else so some kind of pathway would be nice =)

You’d just have to google what settings do what.

Or google how to force integrated graphics for the game in nvidia control panel.

 

[Charlas]

Remember a battery only holds a finite amount of energy, 1-2 hours on battery playing a game is about right if it uses the CPU/GPU,

Think of it this way, if you have a 72Whr battery, then a 200W draw (for simplicity 100cpu 100gpu) will give you about 40 minutes of playtime. Obviously that;s 200W sustained. Games don't keep a sustained draw, so fluctuations between 60-200w will be seen, depending on what's happening. Also on battery, the parts should not be trying to pull their full capacity (CPU should try stick closer to 45W for Intel, and GPU will try stick to 60-80W if RTX part), obviously that's still significant power draw.

Maths is Capacity in Whr / Draw in Watts = Time, so

72Whr / 100W = 0.72 hours

Does that make sense?

How the 'cheap' laptops manage 10+ hours is, 60Whr battery, with an integrated CPU/GPU that draws max 15W peak

Therefore 60Whr / 15W = 4.8hrs (and remember that's full draw full time)

Without taking the Display/backlight/keyboard/RGB into account.

 

[robevz]

little bit way over my head that but i sort of get the jist haha i have explained to my bro he is not that bothered just interested how it dropped so quick,he is prob shocked as he aint used a computer for 10 years now & all he ever had was a pc so maybe doe snot know how a laptop functions

thanks for the help guys much appreciated

 

[Tony1044]

Remember a battery only holds a finite amount of energy, 1-2 hours on battery playing a game is about right if it uses the CPU/GPU,

Think of it this way, if you have a 72Whr battery, then a 200W draw (for simplicity 100cpu 100gpu) will give you about 40 minutes of playtime. Obviously that;s 200W sustained. Games don't keep a sustained draw, so fluctuations between 60-200w will be seen, depending on what's happening. Also on battery, the parts should not be trying to pull their full capacity (CPU should try stick closer to 45W for Intel, and GPU will try stick to 60-80W if RTX part), obviously that's still significant power draw.

Maths is Capacity in Whr / Draw in Watts = Time, so

72Whr / 100W = 0.72 hours

Does that make sense?

How the 'cheap' laptops manage 10+ hours is, 60Whr battery, with an integrated CPU/GPU that draws max 15W peak

Therefore 60Whr / 15W = 4.8hrs (and remember that's full draw full time)

Without taking the Display/backlight/keyboard/RGB into account.

60/15 = what, now?? ;-)