Battlefield 4 Rig - Ultra Settings with average 50-60FPS - Suggestions

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SlimCini

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That's just numbers. They might well show that there are some significant stat differences but in a blind test most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 60fps and 70fps and most people wouldn't be able to tell if certain visual effects are turned off like AA. Yes, the FPS and effects might go up, but in real world visual terms there's not a massive difference.

There was an article on here a while ago which someone posted where the author had let a load of gamers play a game on two machines (this was a year or two ago I think). One cost about £1500 and had a high end PC with a 7970 with everything on max. The other was some low end budget PC (about £500) with a load of settings lowered. Most gamers couldn't tell which PC was which by playing the game.

Booting in half the time using an SSD provides a noticeable significant difference.

But it all depends on personal preference of where your priorities lie taking into account value and diminishing returns. IMO on a 1080p 60Hz screen, the improvement going from one 780 to two 780s has such limited visual improvement that there is no value to it. Lot's of cost for very minimal actual visual improvement. If someone offered you four of Girls Aloud for the night for £500 then said you could have all five for an extra £3000... yes there's a slight improvement, but it's not worth it.

If you're moving up into the 120 or 144Hz screens or 1440p resolution then the actual visual improvement increases and thus makes it more value for money to get the 2nd 780. But I doubt most people would look at a game running at 60Hz on a 1080p screen on mostly max settings with no AA and think, "this looks rubbish, I need another 780".

But I know you like your SLI 780s so we'll leave it at that ;)

EDIT... plus this build isn't just for gaming...
 
Deklore

Deklore

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SlimCini said:
If someone offered you four of Girls Aloud for the night for £500 then said you could have all five for an extra £3000... yes there's a slight improvement, but it's not worth it..
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Would obviously depend on which one it is. :sailor:
 
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baron75mk2

baron75mk2

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SlimCini said:
That's just numbers. They might well show that there are some significant stat differences but in a blind test most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 60fps and 70fps and most people wouldn't be able to tell if certain visual effects are turned off like AA. Yes, the FPS and effects might go up, but in real world visual terms there's not a massive difference.

There was an article on here a while ago which someone posted where the author had let a load of gamers play a game on two machines (this was a year or two ago I think). One cost about £1500 and had a high end PC with a 7970 with everything on max. The other was some low end budget PC (about £500) with a load of settings lowered. Most gamers couldn't tell which PC was which by playing the game.

Booting in half the time using an SSD provides a noticeable significant difference.

But it all depends on personal preference of where your priorities lie taking into account value and diminishing returns. IMO on a 1080p 60Hz screen, the improvement going from one 780 to two 780s has such limited visual improvement that there is no value to it. Lot's of cost for very minimal actual visual improvement. If someone offered you four of Girls Aloud for the night for £500 then said you could have all five for an extra £3000... yes there's a slight improvement, but it's not worth it.

If you're moving up into the 120 or 144Hz screens or 1440p resolution then the actual visual improvement increases and thus makes it more value for money to get the 2nd 780. But I doubt most people would look at a game running at 60Hz on a 1080p screen on mostly max settings with no AA and think, "this looks rubbish, I need another 780".

But I know you like your SLI 780s so we'll leave it at that ;)

EDIT... plus this build isn't just for gaming...
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Maybe your right (in certain areas) , but the logic is actually contradicting its self , so spending 100s of pounds to get better boot times
(& we are not talking about minutes here , if we are then there is something wrong with the setup or it hasnt been otimized at leased)
Is a good idea if your on a budget , but spending the same or a bit more cash to get what is obviously better framerates isnt a good idea ?

ones going to give you a better boot time & nothing more & the other is going to give you much better framerates & thus be more future proof in the long run (meaning there will be no need to upgrade to the newer cards (single card) when they come out thus actually saving money in the long term , dont think the trend will change

2X GTX-580s will outperform 1X GTX 680 hands down
2X GTX-680s will outperfrom 1X GTX 780 hands down

Ive owned all these cards in all these configs so i speak from experience

& as for not noticing things like AA , HBAO AF & particularly Frame differences this is all reletive to whoever is veiwing the games , most folks i know cant see the difference between 30fps & 60 fps , but i sure can , others cant see the difference between 60fps & 120fps , i dont know i havent tried a 120hz monitor , but someone must see a difference or why even make these monitors run at 120hz ?

The same goes for all settings some notice it quite badly others dont see much difference

So because most gamers cant notice things is not the point here ,

i would say that when you have a thread titled ; Battlefield 4 Rig - Ultra Settings with average 50-60FPS - Suggestions

Then you are a gamer that can notice these things quite badly & you are after the best performance & highest settings in games possible,

Taking this in to consideration , then by anyones logic surely having better or more GPUs in this case makes more sence than a SSD thats going to boot faster & give better read & write times (& we are not talking about a massive difference here to where it would start to annoy you) & no improvements in framerates & higher settings in games ?

Its not about liking or disliking Twin GPUs or SSDs at all , its about taking in to account the main usage for the rig is high settings & high FPS

Lots of times a always ask posters what settings they want & what fps they want , if its lower or middle settings with 30 fps ill always suggest a single card as an SLI build would be a complete waste of time & money here , if its ridiculously high settings & 60fps upwards in games like battlefield etc then its an SLI setup i will reccomend as one card isnt going to cut it.

If one would cut it i would have got a GTX titan , less heat , less power & more v-ram & cheaper than SLI , but the fact is 2X GTX-780s run absolute rings around 1 X GTX titan & even in SLI they can outperfrom titans in SLI due to better scaling

Its not about reccomending gear we own because we own it or i would always be slating radeon cards , i never do , if you read my posts i quite often reccomend radeons over nvidias as they are great cards & better than nvidias in a lot of areas ,

The only time i tell posters not to get radeons is if they want to do any kind of dual card setup as crossfire is just terrible compaired to SLI

But if its a single card setup i always say never rule out radeon they are great single card solutions,

This proves im not just touting it because i have it.

but when a gamer is asking advice on high settings & very high fps im always going to suggest better or more GPUs over an SSD wich will do absolutely nothing in terms of improving FPS & or Settings

(might give a little better loading times , only if the games are installed to it , wont even give this if the games are on another HDD)

Its all about what the gamers needs & budget are & finding the best FPS & settings possible for games & scraping away anything thats not going to benifit the gaming :D
 
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tom_gr7

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hmm, tough one, Single gpu or SLI.

I'd personally say, get a spec that allows you to SLI then in the future you have the option to :)

If you don't want to, then its fine, if you do then its cool too. :)
 
bigben

bigben

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tom_gr7 said:
hmm, tough one, Single gpu or SLI.

I'd personally say, get a spec that allows you to SLI then in the future you have the option to :)

If you don't want to, then its fine, if you do then its cool too. :)
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I agree with this. It's such an easy upgrade to do yourself. Also by the time you actually need the 2nd GPU it may have gone down in price :)
 
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