Build Advice: Laptop to Desktop

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NorthDakota

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Hey all,

Been here for a while and have received advice from users in the forum before around Laptops but looking to make the leap to a desktop to pass down my Nova Laptop (thanks again SpyderTracks and others for support with it).

Current Monitors:
2x LG Ultragear 27GP850-B

Use case:
4k gaming, that has excellent airflow to protect CPU and GPU, prolonging the lifespan of the tower.
It will also be used for moderate excel/ windows VBA use but mainly gaming, streaming and day to day.

Games:
AAA titles, grand strategy games, simulation games such as Cities Skylines 2, Microsoft Flight Sim and others.

Budget: (hoping healthy for the system)
£2000 - £3000

I'm quite flexible on everything else based on best advice/performance.

Thanks in advance for your support again everyone!😊

Kind Regards,
NDK
 
SpyderTracks

SpyderTracks

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NorthDakota said:
Hey all,

Been here for a while and have received advice from users in the forum before around Laptops but looking to make the leap to a desktop to pass down my Nova Laptop (thanks again SpyderTracks and others for support with it).

Current Monitors:
2x LG Ultragear 27GP850-B

Use case:
4k gaming, that has excellent airflow to protect CPU and GPU, prolonging the lifespan of the tower.
It will also be used for moderate excel/ windows VBA use but mainly gaming, streaming and day to day.

Games:
AAA titles, grand strategy games, simulation games such as Cities Skylines 2, Microsoft Flight Sim and others.

Budget: (hoping healthy for the system)
£2000 - £3000

I'm quite flexible on everything else based on best advice/performance.

Thanks in advance for your support again everyone!😊

Kind Regards,
NDK
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Those monitors are 1440p, is your budget for a 4k monitor separate or part of this cost? If it's separate, what's your budget for the monitor?
 
SpyderTracks

SpyderTracks

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A tiny fraction over, this is a pretty monstrous build, you've got headroom to put the stream on the GPU

I've put quite a large dedicated gaming drive as the games you've mentioned are all pretty huge. Also MSFS can take up a few 100Gb on top of the game install to the user profile on the C drive, so 1Tb is going to be beneficial as the primary drive.

Case
HYTE Y60 SNOW WHITE MID-TOWER PANORAMIC CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI (WIFI 6E, DDR5, PCIe 5.0)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4080 - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR FORCE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 4950 MB/R, 4000 MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
4TB CORSAIR MP600 PRO NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 7000 MB/R, 6850 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR ICUE LINK H115i RGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
4 x Corsair AF120 RGB ELITE PWM Fan + Controller Kit
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £3,004.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/UD9XDxVxJp/
 
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NorthDakota

Bronze Level Poster
SpyderTracks said:
A tiny fraction over, this is a pretty monstrous build, you've got headroom to put the stream on the GPU

I've put quite a large dedicated gaming drive as the games you've mentioned are all pretty huge. Also MSFS can take up a few 100Gb on top of the game install to the user profile on the C drive, so 1Tb is going to be beneficial as the primary drive.

Case
HYTE Y60 SNOW WHITE MID-TOWER PANORAMIC CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI (WIFI 6E, DDR5, PCIe 5.0)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4080 - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR FORCE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 4950 MB/R, 4000 MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
4TB CORSAIR MP600 PRO NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 7000 MB/R, 6850 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR ICUE LINK H115i RGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
4 x Corsair AF120 RGB ELITE PWM Fan + Controller Kit
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £3,004.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/UD9XDxVxJp/
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Thanks SpyderTracks!

I take it the cooling in this will be sufficient yeah? As on the Nova you may remember we had thermal throttling often on the Ryzen. I think on a tower thermal throttling was always by biggest fear!

Daft question but hey! Do you this this will easily be meeting the standard for most games for a good 5 years? Or is that wishful thinking? By standard I mean high-ultra without compromising FPS due to CPU/GPU bottlenecking
 
SpyderTracks

SpyderTracks

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NorthDakota said:
I take it the cooling in this will be sufficient yeah? As on the Nova you may remember we had thermal throttling often on the Ryzen. I think on a tower thermal throttling was always by biggest fear!
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The 7800X3D is THE gaming processor, has a huge addition of what's called 3d VCache which massively improves gaming performance. Despite that though, it's incredibly efficient. But I did hear you about cooling, the 7800X3D would be ok with an H100i (240mm radiator with 120mm fans), but bumped it up to the H115i (280mm radiator with 140mm fans). So it's got overkill on the cooler anyway, but the added benefit of 140mm fans vs 120mm is they move more air at lower RPM, so noise will be reduced as well.

That case is a decent one, but doesn't come with any included fans which is why I've added the additional 4 kit. But those along with the 2 fans on the radiator will provide plenty of airflow.

NorthDakota said:
Daft question but hey! Do you this this will easily be meeting the standard for most games for a good 5 years? Or is that wishful thinking? By standard I mean high-ultra without compromising FPS due to CPU/GPU bottlenecking
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This is THE best gaming CPU on the planet currently, plus the motherboard has support for a good 3 or 4 more generations, so if you did find in 5 years or so that you wanted a bump on the CPU, you could just drop in say a Ryzen 10,000 series and be good to go. The GPU will be the first bottleneck no matter what you buy now, that's expected to be replaced in 4 or 5 years to maintain graphical power.

But with the above in mind, I would be looking at around a 10 year lifespan, possibly even longer to the core build.
 
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NorthDakota

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Hey @SpyderTracks, that's me ordered!

I took your advice on the cooler and kept it all as you suggested. As I was really worried about airflow or cooling the GPU and CPU so I'm glad the suggestions will keep it cool. I did do a little Google on the 150i model and it seems it's a very close comparison to the 115i so not worth the additional cost.

I also just kept the Win 11 key, would you recommend keeping it or going with a third party seller key?

I'll keep you posted on the build progress and will share some updates, benchmarks etc when I get it.

Never had a desktop build before always a laptop. What sort of temps would you think the desktop should be? Or is there any guides/threads you'd suggest I read to maintain a desktop especially one on this scale
 
SpyderTracks

SpyderTracks

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NorthDakota said:
I also just kept the Win 11 key, would you recommend keeping it or going with a third party seller key?
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If you order windows with the build, you get full install and config, so you're not just paying for the license.

NorthDakota said:
What sort of temps would you think the desktop should be? Or is there any guides/threads you'd suggest I read to maintain a desktop especially one on this scale
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Roughly 75c on CPU, around 82c on GPU I would imagine.

There's a good thread here on some things to do when you get it to check performance is where it needs to be

To-Do list when PC arrives (updated)

Taking inspiration from @FishyFrags, I have tried to update and condense the original thread here into something a bit more manageable, I have put this thread here as the original was in "general guides" which I cannot post new threads in and the original thread is now locked. By all means move...
www.pcspecialist.co.uk www.pcspecialist.co.uk

And there's a video by Jayz

 
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NorthDakota

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Hey @SpyderTracks , just an update for you,

Sadly the computer arrived damaged so RMA is getting done. I just had a couple of questions though as I've just received my bonus from work (unexpected). I'm considering if we should return it fully and upgrade the same device to the 4090 with the larger cooler as sadly even with the i115 I was spiking at 89 degrees underload on the CPU with PBO enabled.

Do you have a view? I have around around £500.00 to play with that I didn't have before. As I'm well within my 14 days PCS did say they could change the order instead of repairing (recasing) it but wanted to get your view first :)
 
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NorthDakota

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or alternatively would you upgrade at all or just pocket the difference? Just trying to gauge what would be best :)
 
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Steveyg

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NorthDakota said:
y even with the i115 I was spiking at 89 degrees underload on the CPU with PBO enabled.
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This to me says there was something wrong mate, the H115i is massive overkill for the 7800X3D even in extreme pushing of the chip. If you're seeing these temps then it either isn't set up correctly (ie the fan curve isn't right) or the CPU cooler itself isn't making the best contact with the CPU. Needs reseated

A 4090 is obviously a mental choice but hey if you can use it why not, it's the best GPU on the market but it pumps out insane amounts of heat and Ideally I'd want a 1200W PSU just to be sure. The 1000W is probably fine but I always overshoot
 
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NorthDakota

Bronze Level Poster
Steveyg said:
This to me says there was something wrong mate, the H115i is massive overkill for the 7800X3D even in extreme pushing of the card. If you're seeing these temps then it either isn't set up correctly (ie the fan curve isn't right) or the CPU cooler itself isn't making the best contact with the CPU. Needs reseated

A 4090 is obviously a mental choice but hey if you can use it why not, it's the best GPU on the market but it pumps out insane amounts of heat and Ideally I'd want a 1200W PSU just to be sure. The 1000W is probably fine but I always overshoot
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I have provisionally added this as a 'secondary' problem for the RMA the device was 'kicked in' on the PSU side with parts of the case bent so it is possible there is an internal issue. As I had to reseat the full graphics card and HYTE adapter as it had became unseated. I still have the computer at the moment is there anything you think I should test?

Also do you have a view on if it's viable to upgrade or leave it as original build? I take your point as it does seem overkill especially for the extra c£300 increase
 
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Steveyg

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NorthDakota said:
I have provisionally added this as a 'secondary' problem for the RMA the device was 'kicked in' on the PSU side with parts of the case bent so it is possible there is an internal issue. As I had to reseat the full graphics card and HYTE adapter as it had became unseated. I still have the computer at the moment is there anything you think I should test?

Also do you have a view on if it's viable to upgrade or leave it as original build? I take your point as it does seem overkill especially for the extra c£300 increase
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If the frame is "kicked in" anywhere near any of the components DO NOT TURN IT ON!

Just send it back, it's compromised nothing you do can fix a potential hardware problems that's caused by being physically broken

I'd just leave the build as is but get a new one sent, if the case is damaged then there could be no end to the damage inside the case which might not show up for weeks or months down the line. Get a new one sent
 
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