You need to stop with saying the reason people are getting the 3080s is for braggings rights, you have no proof of that, and dose nothing for helpping people on the forum, saying they are in hight demand, sure, but they are only getting them for bragging rights kinda slaps everyone that wants one
Discrepencies on forum advice.
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It only slaps those mismatching one to their system, either when it's overpowered or underpowered. It's a very valid statement.
Thats now how the statement is worded, buit it's good to know that if you do not follow the advice given by the mods and some of the other members in this forum, and get a 3080 with a monitor thats not 4k or ultrawide then it's a missmatched system and you are only doing it for bragging rights. it's really good to know that insted of trying to offer help to match a system to a persons needs you have just admited that if the advice isn't taken it's just for bragging rights
Also you are then assuming people are missmatching systems, you are saying that because it's not something you would do, they must be wrong for wanting to use a system a differnt way thats not how you would use it.
Saying that if they dont use the system the way you would and not getting the components that you would, is then bragging rights, a system can be set up in different ways, thats not bragging rights.
And saying it only slaps those that missmatch are just wrong, but every one else that didn't as a forum mod you are saying you are better than everyone else as you have this
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That’s not accurate. If a screen is bottlenecking the GPU performance then it’s mismatched. That’s not something we came up with, that’s what it’s called in PC tech world.
The 3080 won’t be able to run at it’s full potential on a 1440p 144hz screen, hence its mismatched.
My system isn't bottlenecked, it's running my games at the setting I want, at less than the 144Hz refresh rates, like I said a system can be configuard in many ways with different parts to perform in away thats not the same as you and others on this forum deem as the corect way.
Im once again going to end this here at this point, I have informed an admin that once again the Mods are showing that if you dont build a system the way they say to, it's for bragging rights and also the wrong way, your words have power when it comes to people asking for help, feeling yours is the only right way is damaging to the forum and PCS.
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We do understand that but we can't give advice based on outliers. We have to give well rounded and sound advice based on what is the most sensible and most rounded option with the budget in mind.
I am a very similar person with technology as you appear to be. When I built my PC last year I did so aiming for a 2080 at the heart of it. I didn't purchase the 2080 because I needed it or because it was the level of hardware that I required for what I was looking to do. I purchased it because I wanted it, I wanted the best I could afford. Within an hour of having the thing I had it on its knees at 1080p in GTAV. This is, effectively, bragging rights or pub talk. I don't see how this is a slight on your purchase. You want a high end card to run mid-range resolution at over the top settings. The only reason to do this is for the ego, not for the eyeballs. I get this, I really do as I always buy the best tech I can afford even if I don't technically need it.
The 2080 isn't a 1080p card any more than the 3080 is a 1440p card. They just aren't aimed at those markets, resolutions and frequencies. They can be used at those resolutions and frequencies, and they will have no issues doing so..... but it is wasteful to buy them for such a purpose. If you want it anyway and sensibility be damned, then that's fair enough... but that isn't 99% of users/customers/purchasers so we need to advise and cater to the majority.
Now, when someone says they don't care about the budget, they want to max out the settings at 1080p and want to buy the 3080 to do it, we will advise them against it with reasoned logic and explanation. If they still want to go ahead then that is absolutely fine and it will do everything they wish. People in this boat do tend to be doing so because they want the best in their system (ego) and not because it's what they actually need.
you are corect, he didnt say it was just for bragging rights, he said "most powerful gaming GPUs and with that comes the bragging rights." like thats the only reason people buy the card, so they can brag. when I stated it is a slap in the face to people that buy the 3080 as most if not all people that buy it are doing it for bragging rights, there is no need to even say that.
Spyder on the other hand said "It only slaps those mismatching one to their system, either when it's overpowered or underpowered. It's a very valid statement." that in it's self says like others have noticed on this forum, if you dont buy a system that we tell you to buy, if you pick intell and not AMD you are mad? wrong? silly? as I have always pointed out, we are here to advise, if people go againts that advice we can only let them.
also quoted "Completely different thing than a Dell or any off the shelf. You need to know basic windows troubleshooting and drivers and you’ll have to reinstall windows often. It’s a completely different thing." no wher on the PCS site does it say if you dont now how to use a computer you shouldn'#t by a PCS system as you need to understand PC, yet thats been said.
in the same thread: I don't mean to sound rude, but if you're having troubles navigating a website, you're going to find configuring a PC extremely difficult. I would just give PCS a call and ask them to guide you through it." this is after the person wiped there external HDD, based on advice given on the forum.
Like I said, the words of moderators or people with hight post counts that are advising people on systems all tend to band together, and if someone comes in saying that somethign can be done different, they are bullied but not only the mods but there friemds as well.
A PCS system can be built using many parts, to do many thing that do nto fit in to what the people that are advising like, but that is no reason to builly a customer, or a forum user because they do not match what you think.
Now let the admins of the forum sort this out, it's been past on to them, if Agentcooper didn't mean what he said then fine, he should think about how things are said, same with Spyder, they are acting as the face of PCS on the forum wether they say they are not staff or are paid, people will see them as that.
Also just before I get banned, yes that happened last time I tried to stick up for the people asking for advice and that went against the fourm gang, I havn't broken any forum rules, https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/help/terms/ let the admins sort it out.
barlew
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You seem irrationally upset about the fact that someone has pointed out pairing a 3080 with a sub par screen is a total waste of money?
and like I have said if someone comes wanting a 3080 in a 1440p monitor, there is nothign wrong with advising them even asking what kind of games they play and at what setting they want,
the format is this
Budget
monitor
use
as soon as a monitor is 1440 and a GPU is a 3080, no one asks how it's going to be used in game, they will auto be told it's not the right card, it's over powered, or it's used for bragging right, not that it could be perfect for that person, if they intened to use it at it max it's just wrong, you ask about other things being and it's full usage, just never GPU cos if it's not 4k or ultra wide, it's a waist on a 3080.
Anyway im off to watch "queens Gambit" on netflix, it's a good show, should try it if you like chess
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and like I have said if someone comes wanting a 3080 in a 1440p monitor, there is nothign wrong with advising them even asking what kind of games they play and at what setting they want, the format is this
Budget
monitor
use
as soon as a monitor is 1440 and a GPU is a 3080, no one asks how it's going to be used in game, they will auto be told it's not the right card, it's over powered, or it's used for bragging right, not that it could be perfect for that person, if they intened to use it at it max just it's wrong, you ask about other things being and it's full usage, just never GPU cos if it's not 4k or ultra wide, it's a waist on a 3080.
Anyway im off to watch "queens Gambit" on petflix, it's a good show,should try it if you like chess
The people who know what they want to do with these systems will already know the limitations and use case. Like I said, 99% of people come on here without truly understanding how a GPU functions in relation to the monitor and the games. These people are given guidance to pair their monitor with their system with their use case.
We have already gone down this road plenty of times and it is you that seems to want to keep instigating arguments on here. You have suggested that you should be free to say what you wish to within the rules yet have suggested that @AgentCooper must stop doing so. Your logic genuinely doesn't make any sense as you just seem incredibly opinionated and self-centred.
Every time, no matter how something is put across, you can only see your perspective and your point of view. You are 1 person, in a very small percentage of people who wants to max out settings for no reason, we get that and that's OK. We cannot offer advice on this basis as every system advised would have a 3090 in it (surprised you didn't go for that to be honest). I would ask that if you have nothing to offer the forum, and its users, in a friendly and thoughtful manner, with their needs in mind rather than your own, that you just abstain from using it.
And this stament is one of the problems, you say that a 1440p is a sup par screen, this all depends on how it's intended to be used, how the person is wanting to use that monitor and card, it's only sub par if it dosn't do whats expected.
I am not irrational, I am just passionate aout people being given advice based oin what they are looking to do, if the auto responce is 1440p and 3080 is a sup par monitor (you case in point) or that a 3080 is just wrong for a 1440p, with out even asking what the person wants to get from said build, it's not good advice it's bad advice, if someone said they wanted a 3080 on a 1440p and all they wanted to do is run LoL Starcraft and such I would say to them that IMO the 3080 is overboard, and it may be better to get a 3070 or 3060.
I can quote people saying after someone has ask for a future proofig a system that you should never future proof a GPU, this is just not true, many people buy a top end card to last them a few years and games in that time get more and more demanding, so why you say a 1440p monitor is sup par, is it going to be for the use case of the person that bying it in 1 years time as there is about 2 years inbetween new cards coming out. you do this for RAM, CPU PSU, Mother boards, but not GPU why? cos it's a 3080 and a 1440p monitor.
Grumpywurzel
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I dunno, been out sick for a few days and it's all kicked off...... where's my popcorn.
Anyhoo, I honestly cannot recall a time, ever, that a MOD has ever insisted that you have to buy X system. At the the end of the day if you want to buy a high PC but not ever use half of it's capacity, then that's your choice. Christ, look at my Sig for starters, blindly bought a laptop throwing in whatever high end components I could find and being an Intel Fanboy (or was) I threw in the 9900K (before i was told I would have serious heat issues).
As I said, buy whatever you want, no gives a monkeys
Anyhoo, I honestly cannot recall a time, ever, that a MOD has ever insisted that you have to buy X system. At the the end of the day if you want to buy a high PC but not ever use half of it's capacity, then that's your choice. Christ, look at my Sig for starters, blindly bought a laptop throwing in whatever high end components I could find and being an Intel Fanboy (or was) I threw in the 9900K (before i was told I would have serious heat issues).
As I said, buy whatever you want, no gives a monkeys
@ProEnigma - you are completely misinterpreting what I’ve said and have twisted that statement into something completely incorrect. Everyone else who has replied to your post has understood exactly what I meant and have tried to explain it with a few appropriate analogies, such as buying the latest iPhone, pub talk etc.
Sub-par I would agree isn't quite the right word. Sub-optimum would be better. An optimal screen matches visual fidelity with reasonable framerate at a reasonable cost. The optimum screen for a 3080 GPU is a 4k 144hz monitor. You can have the settings at moderate levels with the increased resolution which will offer a FAR better visual experience than a 1440p with everything set to moarrrr in the display settings.
Again, going round in circles. Change the settings to optimal to match the game. You want to aim between the tiers of monitor. The 3080 will do over 60hz in just about every use case with optimal settings. Maxing settings out isn't advised and, as already stated, is about the ego over the experience.
The reason for this is that GPU tech moves too fast to future proof for. Sure, you can eek out a few more months, even a year, of usage if you spend more now.... but it's diminishing returns. You spend more to get less down the line. Spend less now and you can upgrade earlier with the monthly savings staying static. Saving up £50 per month buys you a better level of GPU by getting a mindful and.... optimal.... GPU at each upgrade. Over-shooting wastes cash.
It's like buying a 2080Ti right now to future proof. It'll do what you want it to, but you have overpaid for old technology that doesn't get you anything meaningful over a £350 3060ti will.
barlew
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I never said it was wrong I said it was a total waste of money. I have a 2070 Super and I play basically every recent release 60+ FPS on Very High or Ultra settings (with some few acceptations) at 1440p.
It is a total waste of money.
This being said, If I could persuade my missus to let me buy a 3080 I would absolutely waste that money and I would have no shame in calling it bragging rights.
The 3080 will be waaaaay overpowered for that monitor. You could easily change that to the 3070 (maybe even the 3060Ti, although we don’t have a confirmed release date on that yet) and spend the savings on the 5800X and a better case. Your storage looks a bit sparse, are you putting your own hard drives in?
Thats your own comment on a 3080 being used on a 1440p without even asking how it would be used, just right out if the gate, "The 3080 will be waaaaay overpowered for that monitor" then being told in that same thread
"We’ve been through this time and time again and frankly it’s getting boring. The 3080 will essentially net you some extra shadows and effects that will make no real visual difference to what you see when you’re gaming. For the net cost of what you’d pay for for a 3080 compared to a 3070, it just isn’t worth it"
you'll see the normal people coming in, not to ask the OP how they intend to use it, if it fits there needs, again like always just outright over powered for a 1440p, that was to my point I said to the op
"The 3080 is not overpowered on a 1440p 144Hz monitor depending on what you are looking to do with it. If you are looking for high refresh rates, max graphic setting on really demanding games, like Shadow of the tomb raider, Metro even Metro exodus even (metro 2033 redux) Cyberpunk 2077 and so on, the card will be really good for them kind of games
If on the other hand you are playing games like fortnight, PubG, amongus CS:GO and so on, then a 3070 would prob better suit you, even the 3060ti if it ever comes out.
It really does come down to the games you are wanting to play, how high you want to crank the graphics setting and if you want high FPS all at the same time, in some of the most demanding titles. you may be happy being on hight settings and not max, and thats fine go for the 3070/3060 it's worth thinking about the type of games and setting you will be wanting to use"
you'll see a slight dig as the forum not liking someone wanting intell over AMD "Just be thankful OP went with AMD not intel, then you will see some opinions sorry i meant advice lol." like I have always said, if you are going to offer advice offer it, but remember to ask how they intend to use the GPU and Monitor, not just out right say it's wrong, it can be used in otehr ways.
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This thread is going nowhere. And I'm not comfortable with it being so one sided. As such I'm going to lock it as I don't feel it's of any benefit to anyone. We've been here before and it just degrades, it's not possible to give advice if that advice won't be heard.
@ProEnigma, you have been given a warning, please stop derailing threads based on needless arguments. Any further infractions will result in a further warning and then a ban.
@ProEnigma, you have been given a warning, please stop derailing threads based on needless arguments. Any further infractions will result in a further warning and then a ban.
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