I didn't even know what a CPU was last week. Please Help!

[SpyderTracks]

Thank you. I need to look into using M.2 memory more as I don't know too much about them and their benefits. I'm assuming using M.2 might drive up the cost and considering I'm already over my budget, I might skip it.

I quite liked the ASUS TUF X570-PLUS GAMING motherboard when I was first looking to configure this PC. But from my understanding it only has a USB C port on the back but not enough headers on the board to connect it to the front USB C port on the case. I could be wrong but I think it needs another USB3.1 header on the board to be able to actually connect it to the USB C port on the front of the case.

I also liked the ASUS STRIX B550-F GAMING motherboard but I think it has the same problem. Not enough headers on the actual board to connect it.

Earlier I said that only the ASUS Crosshair VIII Hero and the Gigabyte X570 Gaming X have enough headers but I think I made a mistake, I think it's actually only the ASUS Crosshair VIII Hero and the ASUS ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING that have enough headers. I'm not sure, I will go look at the manufacturers website for each one in a minute.

But if anyone has used a ASUS ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING motherboard and can let me know if it's good, I'd appreciate it.

All X570 and B550 boards have internal USB C headers.

For best futureproofing, you want X570. I would always recommend the X570 Strix if budget allows, but the Tuf Gaming Plus is also fine if you're on less than a 3900x/5900x

This is the Strix X570

USB Ports​

4 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 port(s) (4 at back panel, )
1 x USB 3.2 Gen 2 front panel connector port(s)
4 x USB 3.2 Gen 2 port(s) (4 at back panel, , 3 x Type-A+1 x Type-C)
2 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 port(s) (2 at mid-board)
AMD X570 chipset :
4 x USB 2.0 port(s) (4 at mid-board)

 

[MsLolaQuinn]

All X570 and B550 boards have internal USB C headers.

For best futureproofing, you want X570. I would always recommend the X570 Strix if budget allows, but the Tuf Gaming Plus is also fine if you're on less than a 3900x/5900x

This is the Strix X570

USB Ports​

4 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 port(s) (4 at back panel, )
1 x USB 3.2 Gen 2 front panel connector port(s)
4 x USB 3.2 Gen 2 port(s) (4 at back panel, , 3 x Type-A+1 x Type-C)
2 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 port(s) (2 at mid-board)
AMD X570 chipset :
4 x USB 2.0 port(s) (4 at mid-board)

Thank you. So this means I can use those boards and be able to connect the USB C and the 2x USB 3.0 ports into the motherboard? Great I'm assuming the mid board headers would be used here?

I do plan on upgrading probably to the Ryzen 9 3900x one day. Would the TUF Gaming Plus not really be good for that then?

 

[Ash_]

Thank you. So this means I can use those boards and be able to connect the USB C and the 2x USB 3.0 ports into the motherboard? Great I'm assuming the mid board headers would be used here?

I do plan on upgrading probably to the Ryzen 9 3900x one day. Would the TUF Gaming Plus not really be good for that then?

The R9 3900x has already been replaced by the 5900x 😀

 

[MsLolaQuinn]

The R9 3900x has already been replaced by the 5900x 😀

Do you know if it is any good? Maybe I will upgrade to it in the future 3700x seems sufficient for me now though.

 

[Ash_]

Do you know if it is any good? Maybe I will upgrade to it in the future 3700x seems sufficient for me now though.

It is meant to be an absolute monster. Outdoing the 3900x and intel chips on everything.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Do you know if it is any good? Maybe I will upgrade to it in the future 3700x seems sufficient for me now though.

I wouldn't suggest buying an old CPU, might as well get the 5800x which is substantially more powerful than the 3700x for not much more cash.

 

[MsLolaQuinn]

I wouldn't suggest buying an old CPU, might as well get the 5800x which is substantially more powerful than the 3700x for not much more cash.

There is almost a £200 difference on PSC between those two processors unfortunately. And as I am already well over my initial budget, and also because the 5800x is also only on pre order and I need this PC asap, I don't think it's worth it for me at the moment.

Is there any reason for you to think the 3700x wouldn't be good for video editing and streaming (nothing too intensive)?
I can afford to buy the 3800x (which is only £13 more) but I don't really see a significant difference in those CPUs?

 

[SpyderTracks]

There is almost a £200 difference on PSC between those two processors unfortunately. And as I am already well over my initial budget, and also because the 5800x is also only on pre order and I need this PC asap, I don't think it's worth it for me at the moment.

Is there any reason for you to think the 3700x wouldn't be good for video editing and streaming (nothing too intensive)?
I can afford to buy the 3800x (which is only £13 more) but I don't really see a significant difference in those CPUs?

Wow, didn’t realise the price difference was so huge.

For the £13 increase to the 3800x I’d say it’s worth it.

 

[Ash_]

Personally for £13 i would get the 3800x.

ideally, if you were expecting to upgrade a cpu within a year, it wouldn’t be a good build, but i also understand the point of needing things asap. But in regards to the 5800x, the 5900x is only another £40 or so, but would need a really good cooler, such as the H115, which is £115 or so, which might suit you more, especially if you are eyeing up it’s predecessor.

 

[Ash_]

Wow, didn’t realise the price difference was so huge.

For the £13 increase to the 3800x I’d say it’s worth it.

Yeah, i was looking at it earlier, the pcs pricing of the 5800x is strange... it is so far from Ryzen 7 zen2 and so close to Ryzen 9 zen3

 

[MsLolaQuinn]

Personally for £13 i would get the 3800x.

ideally, if you were expecting to upgrade a cpu within a year, it wouldn’t be a good build, but i also understand the point of needing things asap. But in regards to the 5800x, the 5900x is only another £40 or so, but would need a really good cooler, such as the H115, which is £115 or so, which might suit you more, especially if you are eyeing up it’s predecessor.

Thank you for your advice.

Any particular reason you would get the 3800x over the 3700x?

I don't plan on upgrading this 3700x for 3 years to be honest. Then after that I would look into what has the best price.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thank you for your advice.

Any particular reason you would get the 3800x over the 3700x?

I don't plan on upgrading this 3700x for 3 years to be honest. Then after that I would look into what has the best price.

If you're looking to upgrade anything in the PC platform (RAM, motherboard, PSU, cooler, CPU), then it's not designed correctly.

The platform should happily last 7 - 10 years without amendment.

 

[Ash_]

Thank you for your advice.

Any particular reason you would get the 3800x over the 3700x?

I don't plan on upgrading this 3700x for 3 years to be honest. Then after that I would look into what has the best price.

It is just ever so slightly faster clock speed, for £14 over 3 years, i think it would be well worth it.

in 3 years, i expect the 5900x to be outdated by the next gen

 

[MsLolaQuinn]

If you're looking to upgrade anything in the PC platform (RAM, motherboard, PSU, cooler, CPU), then it's not designed correctly.

The platform should happily last 7 - 10 years without amendment.

Unfortunately this year has been difficult for many in terms of budget. I'm sure you can understand that not all of us can have our dream build that lasts 10 years. I even considered buying a pre built because I have deadlines at work in January.

 

[MsLolaQuinn]

It is just ever so slightly faster clock speed, for £14 over 3 years, i think it would be well worth it.

in 3 years, i expect the 5900x to be outdated by the next gen

Here's a video of Premiere Pro benchmarking with both the 3700x and the 3800x. The 3700x actually finished rendering first and even if there is a difference, from what I've read it's not noticeable.

I read online that the 3800x only has 2% higher effective speed over the 3700x. And the 3700x has lower TDP which is good for me as I am only planning on using the CoolMaster Masterliquid Lite 120 Liquid Cooler.

 

[Ash_]

Here's a video of Premiere Pro benchmarking with both the 3700x and the 3800x. The 3700x actually finished rendering first and even if there is a difference, from what I've read it's not noticeable.

I read online that the 3800x only has 2% higher effective speed over the 3700x. And the 3700x has lower TDP which is good for me as I am only planning on using the CoolMaster Masterliquid Lite 120 Liquid Cooler.

Hmm that is strange, possibly an anomaly... then 3800x is meant to be around 2% faster yes. And i can’t imagine needing to make any change to the cooler. But if the difference isn’t worth it to you, then i really wouldn’t bother either (similar reason for why i don’t have a heated steering wheel in my car 🤣)

 

[SpyderTracks]

Unfortunately this year has been difficult for many in terms of budget. I'm sure you can understand that not all of us can have our dream build that lasts 10 years. I even considered buying a pre built because I have deadlines at work in January.

The point is, you balance it correctly to the budget. If you’re sacrificing the platform, then it’s not well designed.

 

[MsLolaQuinn]

The point is, you balance it correctly to the budget. If you’re sacrificing the platform, then it’s not well designed.

Thank you for your advice but I don't see how using a 3700x CPU is 'sacrificing the system'?

Can you give me a reason why the 3700x isn't sufficient for editing in Adobe Premiere Pro because I personally don't see one.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thank you for your advice but I don't see how using a 3700x CPU is 'sacrificing the system'?

Can you give me a reason why the 3700x isn't sufficient for editing in Adobe Premiere Pro because I personally don't see one.

It’s a 2 year old CPU. It’s not recommended to buy a new custom PC with old parts.

 

[MsLolaQuinn]

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions I really appreciate it, I think I am almost certain what build I will do, will probably post the updated specs tomorrow. I just got off the phone with someone from PCS who was really helpful and I wanted to write out the advice I got from PCS in case anyone else is considering a similar build, I know I looked through a fair few threads myself.

In regards to using a case with USB C ports on the front, unfortunately you cannot use all X570 and B550 boards as they do not all have internal USB C headers. The only boards currently available with them that I am seeing when doing my configuration is the ASUS Crosshair VIII Hero and the ASUS ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING. Do not use the other boards (if the same ones as I listed previously are showing as the only options). Specifically the PCS worker checked the ASUS STRIX B550-F GAMING and unfortunately, he said that this board does not have internal USB C headers (or USB 3.2 headers that could be used for USB C). It does however have external ones on the back so if you don't mind using the USB C from the back of your case that is an option, but either don't choose a case that has USB C ports on the front or expect them to be unusable.

I'll probably end up sending in the Fractal Meshify S2 case to use for my build, but for anyone considering using the Fractal Define 7 case that PCS currently have in stock then one nice thing to know, is yes, they do send you the exchangeable mesh top panel with your build.

Unfortunately there is a LONG waiting time for new parts such as the Nividia Geforce GPUs (lots of people have already ordered builds with the 3060ti so they need more stock for it and they don't even have an estimated time of arrival for the 3070). He said anyone configuring something with these parts now will likely be waiting months.
Same goes for the AMD Ryzen 7 5800x CPU which also does not even have an estimated time of arrival yet.
Personally, as I need my PC asap, I will not be using these parts but if you have time to wait then go for it

Also he said that the standard paste is pretty much as good as the MX-4 extreme thermal conductivity compound so there's £9 saved

(Take all the above with a pinch of salt as obviously I'm sure it's subject to change etc etc.)