Laptop performance issues

[Wessexelectricnut]

Just benched my Recoil (V) 15"..... errrmmm! - EDIT Correct model listed

I scored 14 125 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook) x 1, 64926 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

(Thats quite hillariously bad considering NBrooke has a similiar machine!)

I'll try with dGPU only and see what I get, that might be intergrated graphics

 

[Wessexelectricnut]

Now dGPU only!

I scored 25 647 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook) x 1, 65438 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

If I looked properly, despite the 256GB SSD (Sabrent Rocket - second hand as a boot drive, I have a 1TB WD Black thats new for the storage drive), it should be just after NBrooke's. What do they have that is different to mine?

BTW, it has 64GB of Ballistix ram that is certified for 3200mhz, but runs according to the BIOS at 2667mhz. How and why?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Now dGPU only!

I scored 25 647 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook) x 1, 65438 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

If I looked properly, despite the 256GB SSD (Sabrent Rocket - second hand as a boot drive, I have a 1TB WD Black thats new for the storage drive), it should be just after NBrooke's. What do they have that is different to mine?

BTW, it has 64GB of Ballistix ram that is certified for 3200mhz, but runs according to the BIOS at 2667mhz. How and why?

Can you post your full specs from the order page?

 

[Macco26]

Erm... was this while attached to mains? Or under battery? If not battery, surely something is not setup properly.

Now I see you've a cap to 60 FPS no matter what. Being in the CC, or in the Nvidia drivers or somewhere else.. I don't know.
But it's in place

 

[Wessexelectricnut]

Erm... was this while attached to mains? Or under battery? If not battery, surely something is not setup properly.

Now I see you've a cap to 60 FPS no matter what. Being in the CC, or in the Nvidia drivers or somewhere else.. I don't know.
But it's in place

It was on mains power, I think the first test (despite using turbo mode) was actually the iGPU taking over (due to my possibly slightly aggressive battery saving techniques), second one, I thought it would equal NBrooke's one, but hasn't. One question that came up is why is the ram I'm using showing up as 2667mhz and not 3200mhz? Specs BTW, the HDs and RAM has been changed however:

hassis & Display
Recoil Series: 15.6" Matte QHD 165Hz sRGB 100% LED Widescreen (2560x1440)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen™ 9 Eight Core Processor 5900HX (3.3GHz, 4.6GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3080 - 16.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st M.2 SSD Drive
128GB ADATA SX6000 LITE M.2 2280 (1800 MB/R, 1200 MB/W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated SD Memory Card Reader
AC Adaptor
1 x 230W AC Adaptor
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Battery
Recoil Series Integrated 94WH Lithium Ion Battery
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack
Wireless Network Card
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (2.4 Gbps) + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
1 x USB 3.2 PORT (Type C) + 3 x USB 3.2 PORTS
Keyboard Language
PER-KEY RGB BACKLIT UK MECHANICAL KEYBOARD
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Keyboard & Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 9 to 11 working days
Promotional Item
Get 6 Months Founders Membership to GeForce Now w/ select RTX 30 Series Laptops
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book - United Kingdom & Republic of Ireland

 

[Wessexelectricnut]

While going through the first result:

That is interesting!

Drivers not installed by the looks of it.
While I am at it, for a different laptop, does anyone know how to unhide the results? My Cosmos IX decided it doesn't want to show all 4150 points to the world (Which also puts me 2nd and bottom of the leader board!)

 

[KriSta]

Indeed it seems to be driver related for the GPU , as for the RAM .... not every SODIMM might work at full speed in the laptop and unfortunately there is nothing to be done about it from the laptop`s point of view . No BIOS settings to adjust etc , either they work or they don`t .

 

[Macco26]

Why you'd expect your ram to perform at 3200?

You literally bought a very underperforming RAM @ 2133:

from your spec sheet page
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)

And, luckily, it was auto-selected by the system to run at way higher, 2666 Mhz.

PS: RAM clock do influence a lot AMD Zen architecture. But NOT as much as your performance benchmarks result says, no worries. It's surely GPU driver related.

 

[Wessexelectricnut]

Why you'd expect your ram to perform at 3200?

You literally bought a very underperforming RAM @ 2133:

from your spec sheet page
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)

And, luckily, it was auto-selected by the system to run at way higher, 2666 Mhz.

PS: RAM clock do influence a lot AMD Zen architecture. But NOT as much as your performance benchmarks result says, no worries. It's surely GPU driver related.

Thats been upgraded to 32gbx2 3200mhz ballistix Ram
EDIT: This is what I upgraded the laptop with hence why the benchmark says 64GB of RAM.

 

[Macco26]

Because they can deliver 3200 Mhz only at 1.35V, which is under XMP (read: overclock) profile. Zen3 laptop are locked out of any mem overclocking.
You need JEDEC spec 3200 Mhz at 1.2V if you want to run them at full speed capacity. There are some Crucial etc. out there.

 

[Wessexelectricnut]

Because they can deliver 3200 Mhz only at 1.35V, which is under XMP (read: overclock) profile. Zen3 laptop are locked out of any mem overclocking.
You need JEDEC spec 3200 Mhz at 1.2V if you want to run them at full speed capacity. There are some Crucial etc. out there.

Thank you, which is annoying, because I do have one 3200mhz 32GB - 1.2V stick that is currently in an Intel system, which is very similar to an Iconio (i7-10875H) that PCS sell which also has a 32GB 2667mhz stick in it too, which gets me thinking, although I need to ask another forum a similar question.

 

[Macco26]

The Intel variant of your laptop DO allow Memory tuning. You could consider swap those sticks in case. But if I am aware, your Intel has one single stick at 3200 Mhz and the other at 2666 so, still not enough..

No manufacturer in the world can tweak memory tuning in AMD Zen laptops, it's not a thing forbidden by PCS. It's a feature lock of AMD as of now, for their mobile CPUs. Just to clear the air.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Before anyone asks, "why would you want to know the score of the iGPU?" Gaming on the move, so you know what score to expect when on battery power. I use laptops a lot because of my commute mainly.

You'd still use the dGPU when on battery, otherwise what's the point of a gaming laptop? You'd just buy a thin and light without dGPU and attach an eGPU.

 

[Macco26]

Before anyone asks, "why would you want to know the score of the iGPU?" Gaming on the move, so you know what score to expect when on battery power. I use laptops a lot because of my commute mainly.

You need to bench both: dGPU (when everything else is sorted out on that front) and iGPU during battery operations. Don't think the power envelope will be the same as when benched at mains.
For my experience, any battery operation will cap the FPS to 30 FPS no matter which GPU you are using. That's what the firmware wants and you can't slide it more in the CC (everything is disabled when in battery mode). This happening on the Intel variant and I didn't check the very latest CC. This might have changed a bit, but the suggestion still stands: don't think mains and battery give the same result with a given GPU.

 

[Wessexelectricnut]

You'd still use the dGPU when on battery, otherwise what's the point of a gaming laptop? You'd just buy a thin and light without dGPU and attach an eGPU.

Mesh work, or being a 3D artist. GPU for ingame use, iGPU elsewhere.

 

[Wessexelectricnut]

You need to bench both: dGPU (when everything else is sorted out on that front) and iGPU during battery operations. Don't think the power envelope will be the same as when benched at mains.
For my experience, any battery operation will cap the FPS to 30 FPS no matter which GPU you are using. That's what the firmware wants and you can't slide it more in the CC (everything is disabled when in battery mode). This happening on the Intel variant and I didn't check the very latest CC. This might have changed a bit, but the suggestion still stands: don't think mains and battery give the same result with a given GPU.

You've given me an idea. I think I have everything sorted, I'm not going to change the ram for the time being, but keep it as is - besides it works at 2667mhz. I think I have an idea why it is showing Generic VGA, it doesn't recognise the chip.

EDIT: At your suggestion, results on battery GPU - it ran quieter for a start - 7% battery life loss after test. (93% remaining)

I scored 6 975 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook) x 1, 64926 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

Windows 10 in battery saver (90% start) - 7-8% battery loss after test (82%remaining) - again, GPU disabled.

I scored 3 296 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook) x 1, 64926 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

Benchmark in windows.

Interesting how its showing the graphics card in Windows but not online.

Seems like everything is working as it should, despite the initial poor result (which I found strange). Either way, I hope this is of interest in someone hoping to purchase these machines, they are unbelievably fast, even though I've not gamed on it yet. I'd love to pit it against my Cybepowered Tracer (or similar if not identical to PCS Iconio Intel 10875H/3070 variant) to see the difference. Spydertracks, pick which bench you'd prefer. Hopefully, I've done several thorough benches to see the performance on or off battery, on power, etc. Strangely, even when maxed out, I didn't get much grief from the fans, they didn't even want to make a song. The difference between NBrooke's machine and mine seems to be 300 points adrift which is almost... nothing and I'm running mine as stock as I can. It possibly needs a bit of experimentation like removing CGDP although one test I maxed turbo, another I just set the CGDP to the max which works out the same and the difference was not much if I am honest.

As for the Cosmos? I'll post it here once I worked something out.

 

[Macco26]

You've given me an idea. I think I have everything sorted, I'm not going to change the ram for the time being, but keep it as is - besides it works at 2667mhz. I think I have an idea why it is showing Generic VGA, it doesn't recongise the chip.

Answering here to not pollute the benchmark thread.

Can you install the PCS provided Nvidia drivers FIRST, then proceed to update it to the latest? I've heard there are so many connections between Nvidia and the CC that in might be useful to first install the provided PCS one, as it might have some needed connection to operate.

Drivers are available in your PCS's account download portal.

 

[Wessexelectricnut]

Answering here to not pollute the benchmark thread.

Can you install the PCS provided Nvidia drivers FIRST, then proceed to update it to the latest? I've heard there are so many connections between Nvidia and the CC that in might be useful to first install the provided PCS one, as it might have some needed connection to operate.

Drivers are available in your PCS's account download portal.

See edit, I was worried about exactly the same thing.

 

[Wessexelectricnut]

So, Cosmos IX time, keep benching the computer and I've gone to the extreme of creating a new partition, using that partition for this benchmark, updating 3D mark to the latest, etc and... I still get this which means I can't post my result online!

Thoughts? New install BTW

 

[Macco26]

It seems just as a privacy setting. I am not a scientist of 3DMark but I would roam into its settings to see if there is a way to public results by default.