This is true, but non-issue if I'm satisfied with 2060... am I satisfied with 2060?
That's a good point, but I'm afraid it's out of my budget
Thank you. Looks like only the Defiance out of that, the Vyper and Optimus Pro - I guess the other 2 are TongFang@plzt
clevo laptops are listed here: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/clevo-laptops/40/
click on the clevo name and you'll get the PCS name
The Vyper and Recoil definitely are Tong Fang.
Good thoughts. Not sure why you'd go up screen refresh rate but down in GPU power so you can't effectively utilise it?Alright, so here are my conclusions so far, and perhaps followup questions:
I hope I'm not too boring
1) The Clevo vs. TongFeng discussion is not interesting to me anymore. Both get raving and appalling reviews, just like any other manufacturer. Some will be very happy with their purchase, while some will be disappointed. My time working in service taught me that a satisfied customer usually says "thanks" and leaves, while a disappointed customer will complain and make his opinion heard to whomever is willing to listen. Hence, most of the relevant reviews in the forums I found to have a negative sentiment.
2) I found a cheap way to calculate how long my laptop will be "future proof": Tropico 6 is my game of choice, which has GTX960M as the "recommended GPU". I'd like to say that the 960M is the 2060 of 4 years ago, meaning my laptop will be able to play similar games for 4 years. every "bump up" in the GPU, will buy me another year. 2070 will get me ~5 years of smooth gaming on such titles. Getting an octa-core i7 is also pretty much a safe bet.
3) I prefer quiet and low temp, but I also accept that this is a rarity and a trade-off to power.
4) 17.3" is ~23% more screen size for a few bucks. worth it!
5) I might not know which chassis has the "refresh" RTX, so I'd appreciate the guiding hand.
Note the prices below are for my very skinny builds (no parts, no OS).
This leaves me with a few choices:
1) Vyper 17.3 with 2070 for €1541, and "the hell with heat"? (strongest option I can afford, closest to my ultimate choice)
2) Recoil 15.6 with 2060 for €1495, which is smaller, weaker GPU, but has 240Hz screen and a bit more "height" for heat management. Is the refresh rate worth the extra bucks and compromise in GPU?
3) From behind comes the 15.6 Optimus XI, with 2060 and only the six-core i7, some bulk to manage heat (2.8cm vs 2cm) and a price tag of only €1054 = playstation 5 in the end of the year!
4) Actually, how is the NOVA like? Will the 3700X not burn my desk? at 15.6", with 2070 and perhaps a bit too much height (3.25cm) for €1393 sounds too good to be true.
5) I think the defiance is out of the race, not being able to offer any advantage point...
help?
That one has a 120Hz screen
I've emailed PCS to ask about a better screen and 3200mhz ram. As well as confirming the 2060 is MaxP. If they got all that it would be killerThat one has a 120Hz screen
Not the 17,3", it has a 144Hz screenThat one has a 120Hz screen
Alright, so here are my conclusions so far, and perhaps followup questions:
I hope I'm not too boring
1) The Clevo vs. TongFeng discussion is not interesting to me anymore. Both get raving and appalling reviews, just like any other manufacturer. Some will be very happy with their purchase, while some will be disappointed. My time working in service taught me that a satisfied customer usually says "thanks" and leaves, while a disappointed customer will complain and make his opinion heard to whomever is willing to listen. Hence, most of the relevant reviews in the forums I found to have a negative sentiment.
2) I found a cheap way to calculate how long my laptop will be "future proof": Tropico 6 is my game of choice, which has GTX960M as the "recommended GPU". I'd like to say that the 960M is the 2060 of 4 years ago, meaning my laptop will be able to play similar games for 4 years. every "bump up" in the GPU, will buy me another year. 2070 will get me ~5 years of smooth gaming on such titles. Getting an octa-core i7 is also pretty much a safe bet.
3) I prefer quiet and low temp, but I also accept that this is a rarity and a trade-off to power.
4) 17.3" is ~23% more screen size for a few bucks. worth it!
5) I might not know which chassis has the "refresh" RTX, so I'd appreciate the guiding hand.
Note the prices below are for my very skinny builds (no parts, no OS).
This leaves me with a few choices:
1) Vyper 17.3 with 2070 for €1541, and "the hell with heat"? (strongest option I can afford, closest to my ultimate choice)
2) Recoil 15.6 with 2060 for €1495, which is smaller, weaker GPU, but has 240Hz screen and a bit more "height" for heat management. Is the refresh rate worth the extra bucks and compromise in GPU?
3) From behind comes the 15.6 Optimus XI, with 2060 and only the six-core i7, some bulk to manage heat (2.8cm vs 2cm) and a price tag of only €1054 = playstation 5 in the end of the year!
4) Actually, how is the NOVA like? Will the 3700X not burn my desk? at 15.6", with 2070 and perhaps a bit too much height (3.25cm) for €1393 sounds too good to be true.
5) I think the defiance is out of the race, not being able to offer any advantage point...
help?
I see that now, so it's an option, but it means I need to sit and wait until the stock is available. who wants to sit and wait?
Thanks for the feedback. I'm already 2 weeks into this search, comparing and looking and pondering about 5 hours a day. It really is summed up by "I love my laptop, but had to RMA". I love seeing this forum so lively, it makes me hopeful if I ever get into technical issues.
Good point, but then where oh where can we get proper benchmarks and impartial reviews? 😭😭😭😭
Bob of all Trades does good reviews on the chassis from Eluktronics and there are some scattered around. Problem is most people who are happy disappear after their laptop is with them so here and on Reddit will be a disproportionally large amount of people with problems
my point exactly
You can't tell if a laptop problem appears more because the laptop is indeed problematic, or just a lot more popular and the problem ratio is the same with other brands.
www.displayninja.com
I do. And some games definitely will go above but most would not especially if played at highest quality. I'm looking at anything above 120hz as a bonus and trying to focus on quality such as %NTSC after thatMaybe I'm simple: you mean if my GPU can't go above 144 fps, there's no need for a 240Hz monitor?
I found this, so I guess you're right...
.144Hz vs 240Hz - Which Refresh Rate Should I Pick? [Easy Guide]
The higher refresh rate, the better. However, if you cannot get past 144 FPS (Frames Per Second) in games, there’s no need for a 240Hz monitor unless you want to future-proof your system.
There are Ryzen with RTX versions in stock since yesterdayI see that now, so it's an option, but it means I need to sit and wait until the stock is available. who wants to sit and wait?