New GPU issues
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SpyderTracks
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Generally it's fine.
Make sure you have enough space behind it to give airflow, and if you've got carpetting, it's best to raise it even just an inch off the carpet to allow the PSU to breathe.
That case does have feet, so should be find unless you've got marvelous 70s shag everywhere
SpyderTracks
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Yeah, that's perfect then, no issues at all.
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Any temp under 83 is a bonus, it's just if the noise level suits you.
Zaheen
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The noise levels is related to the fan speed, and the fan speed is a direct result of high temperatures - putting it on the floor won't make much difference.
Most people with that CPU generally have bigger cases, front AIO blowing out and intakes from the side and beneath. AIO on top with intakes from below and front. Yours is just badly configured - it's worth trying to remove the bottom fan completely from the fan hub, or even try turning the bottom fan around so it's blowing outwards.
I've made a little diagram of your PC and the airflow, the red arrows are hot air, and the blue arrow (I wish it was plural) is blowing cold air, but the blue arrow isn't blowing, merely the little suction from the left GPU fan.
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1. Quick solution would be to remove your side panel and have a fan blowing directly below your GPU.
2. Buy a 240/280mm AIO and put it at the top of your case and use that instead of the front AIO.
3. Buy a bigger case that has a dedicated bottom fan layout.
4. Unplug the bottom case fan and see if it helps the GPU temperature much - but this would just be what I would do to experiment.
The GPU is worth considerably much more than the CPU, so you must prioritise this when building, and maintaining. If you want a hot CPU and you pick a certain case with a 360mm AIO - there's only really one configuration for it, and it's what you have. The temperatures you're getting as what you should expect with that terrible layout.
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I wouldn't be quite so extreme with those assumptions. I've got a crazy hot 9900k with a very similar configuration. I ran it that way after watching a video that did a deep dive of testing on the best AIO layouts and orientations. The presumption before the testing was that using the AIO as an intake would introduce warm air into the case due to the cooling effect through the CPU radiator. It was considered that this warm air would negatively impact the GPU cooling operation and lead to cooler CPU with a warmer GPU.
In actual fact, it made margin of error difference. The main reason being that the air going past the radiator wasn't significantly warmer than it was when being introduced to the case. The actual efficiency of the heat transfer was lower than considered.
I think one of the main reasons, also, for this is the direction and placement of GPU fans in general.
The end results were that the rad intaking at the front with a fan extraction to the roof/rear was the best for the CPU/GPU combo performance.
Using the AIO as an extraction led to negligible difference on the GPU, but had a marked negative impact on the CPU.
There are caveats of course. The AIO has to be a decent one, 240mm would be the minimum for such a test and I would want a decent brand/quality of AIO. My current setup has the H115i RGB.
The biggest downside to this configuration, for me, is that you don't get a positive pressure in the case unless you tune all the fans perfectly. I always like to have a positive pressure in the case for typical use, with a slightly negative pressure when at full chat.
In actual fact, it made margin of error difference. The main reason being that the air going past the radiator wasn't significantly warmer than it was when being introduced to the case. The actual efficiency of the heat transfer was lower than considered.
I think one of the main reasons, also, for this is the direction and placement of GPU fans in general.
The end results were that the rad intaking at the front with a fan extraction to the roof/rear was the best for the CPU/GPU combo performance.
Using the AIO as an extraction led to negligible difference on the GPU, but had a marked negative impact on the CPU.
There are caveats of course. The AIO has to be a decent one, 240mm would be the minimum for such a test and I would want a decent brand/quality of AIO. My current setup has the H115i RGB.
The biggest downside to this configuration, for me, is that you don't get a positive pressure in the case unless you tune all the fans perfectly. I always like to have a positive pressure in the case for typical use, with a slightly negative pressure when at full chat.
Fair enough, how did you come to the conclusion then?
Zaheen
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Having a smaller case than the OP but having way better temperatures.
It's mostly common sense.
It just depends on whether you care about your GPU or CPU more. For me, I intentionally bought a cheaper CPU because I don't care if it's hotter - I can't even get it above 60C even when I try, and my GPU doesn't go above 60C either because of my case.
Now if I replaced my motherboard and CPU to say a 12900K my GPU temperatures wouldn't be affected, but my CPU would be hot, which it will do anyway because Intel likes to do that. It doesn't matter, the top AIO would still get cool air from the front and by your very own logic the passing air through my GPU wouldn't be as hot as my actual GPU.
There's also other things you must consider, my motherboard, RAM and all other components are getting cooler air. Where as yours are all getting hotter air. Some of the YouTube videos I have seen suffer from negative air pressure, they've put 240mm front AIO into massive cases, with three fans as top exhaust. It isn't a fair and accurate comparison to what OP has, and what I have, and probably not the same as what you have either.
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Ok, not sure how that's not assumption, but will leave it there
Please don't refer to the way PCS set up their systems as a terrible layout though. This is in your opinion based on your own singular use case Opinions are great and debate is wonderful, but selling an opinion as a fact can become dangerous when inexperienced people take the advice as gospel.
Zaheen
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Ok, not sure how that's not assumption, but will leave it there
Please don't refer to the way PCS set up their systems as a terrible layout though. This is in your opinion based on your own singular use case Opinions are great and debate is wonderful, but selling an opinion as a fact can become dangerous when inexperienced people take the advice as gospel.
I don't think it's sensible or smart to suffocate a GPU worth £2000 in order to preserve a CPU chip worth 1/5th of that in value or less - that's ultimately my point. There's no need to get upset about my "opinions", whether factual or not. The cost of his GPU is expensive, and it should be given priority over anything else.
It is irrelevant who built his machine. PCS build to whatever spec the customer wants, the 360mm AIO only fits at the front in this scenario.
You've edited to include a video from a reference that I wouldn't put much weight on.
Again, we're not going to get anywhere here. Searching youtube to support your argument and then telling me that it's common sense is disrespectful IMO.
I'm not using common sense based on an opinion of one use case and a video from an unknown source. I'm using engineering background, actual testing experience and testing from well established sources.
I'm genuinely impressed you managed to find a video supporting your thoughts in honesty. Most other outlets concluded that it didn't make enough of a difference to temps to adopt one way or the other. The only consideration was the dust management. Even with that being said though, I would be happier with an 86°C GPU rather than a 96°C CPU at full chat.
Ok, I'm just going to stop you right here. This is a soft warning. You need to consider the tone of your responses here as I'm in no way being disrespectful or dismissive of anything you are saying. I'm merely pointing out that it's your opinion, based on your setup and your components. If you have tried both ways and found a difference, that's fine. I did the same and found none.... this is also fine.
I've not made any assumptions or presumptions. I spent a lot of time testing and researching before offering any advice, but my research comes from much more valid sources.... in my opinion.
I'm not going to continue this debate any longer, I'll allow the OP and future OPs to make their decisions based on the advice given. I'm not here to argue with you as their comes a point in a discussion when it's clearly going to be pointless.
Zaheen
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It was one of the first videos I looked at. However looking at a few more I can see why your opinion and testing may have differed. Your case and total fan count might have something to with it.
When you blow hot air into any GPU it is going to be hotter than if you to blow cold air - this was the common sense I was referring to. If this was untrue then cases with a mesh front wouldn't exist at all.
There was no malice intended by any of my posts, or edits. Maybe it was the edit, or bad wording that led to the confusion in the first place.
I'm just here to help people, just like you. Speaking of which, OP seems to be missing two fans. His case comes with 3 fans as standard, and the he picked AIO comes with 3 fans as well - they've installed one on the back but where's the other two? His back fan isn't even RGB. Not very good to be replacing 3x front ARGB fans a 360mm radiator that comes with 3x Corsair RGB fans, then only putting 1 non RGB exhaust fan. I know installing different RGB fans / multiple fans are a bit of a pain but still, he's missing 2 fans.
Also upon further research it seems like you can install that 360mm at the top of this case.
If you think this guy is wrong then I don't know what to tell you my friend.
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I know this is a really stupid thing to ask but as I've just fitted a 4090 and don't have anything like you are describing but...
The fans are designed to come on when under load, they should be off when not doing anything substantial.
The fact that they come on and make a high pitched buzzing sound from the card - when I got mine, the 3 fans have the manufacturers name in the middle. They were also covered in protective shrink wrap that I had to peel off. By any chance have you left this on your fans? There are no high pitch sounds from mine nor coil whine as has been referred.
The fans are designed to come on when under load, they should be off when not doing anything substantial.
The fact that they come on and make a high pitched buzzing sound from the card - when I got mine, the 3 fans have the manufacturers name in the middle. They were also covered in protective shrink wrap that I had to peel off. By any chance have you left this on your fans? There are no high pitch sounds from mine nor coil whine as has been referred.
Zaheen
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the fans only come on when their underload ,its just coil wine when the gpu is underload ,, i put the pc under my desk so i cant here it anymore thank god
I still think you should put that AIO at the top and get a few front fans for your GPU.
the AIO i have wont fit on the top it looks like thier would be no space for it ..i agree my pc defo needs better airflow for sure ,when i stress test my pc 11 of my cpu cores hit 100 after five 5mins,,,is their any better cases that would fit all my stuff in that is sound proof