RTX 3080 vs 2080 Super - should I amend?

[Deleted member 17413]

Yes maybe for the monitor he has now.
OP clearly states he's thinking of upgrading in future.
Are you saying buy that gpu now. Then upgrade your monitor and then another gpu?

Im saying he hasnt said if he has an existing build/GPU or not, he's talking about a new build he has ordered.
For all we know this monitor he's mentioned after could of been sat in a cupboard or given to him.

There is absolutely no point buying anything for that monitor, if he has a gpu that will run it already, stick with that, if not, buy a 1660 super/1650 super but no more unless the monitor upgrade is gonna happen now too.

 

[ThornyFloweringShrub]

If you have a 1080p monitor right now, its already a pointless purchase getting the 2070 super.
How far away is "somepoint in the future"? By then, regardless 1440p or if you cough up for a 4K 144Hz (which is what the 3080 is really for) supply should have improved anyway and prices settled.

You seem to be wasting money quite heavily here, I would go for the GPU that suits your current monitor ~(so a 1660 Super, or luxury at a 2060) and save your cash for when you actually upgrade the monitor.
The GPU's are likely to have changed in price a fair bit, and you'll probably have the full range all settled in (3060, 3070, 3080) by then if more than 6 months.

A 1440p 144Hz screen you are looking at 3060 or 3070 (3070 is a luxury here really)
A 1440p 144Hz Ultrawide is a 3070 or 3080 as a luxury
3080 is then 4K 144Hz

Around 6 months. My thinking is otherwise i’ll have to upgrade a screen and gpu. Then the old gpu becomes redundant and thus money wasted. I also was thinking about longevity - a top card to keep ultra settings for a good few years. Ideally I want to keep things as is (I.e. high graphics settings) for say... 5 years. I’d be happy with that. Then upgrade the gpu.

 

[ThornyFloweringShrub]

Im saying he hasnt said if he has an existing build/GPU or not, he's talking about a new build he has ordered.
For all we know this monitor he's mentioned after could of been sat in a cupboard or given to him.

There is absolutely no point buying anything for that monitor, if he has a gpu that will run it already, stick with that, if not, buy a 1660 super/1650 super but no more unless the monitor upgrade is gonna happen now too.

Hi sibun - this is a complete new build. No previous PC (well... MacBook...)

 

[Crizzy G]

Around 6 months. My thinking is otherwise i’ll have to upgrade a screen and gpu. Then the old gpu becomes redundant and thus money wasted. I also was thinking about longevity - a top card to keep ultra settings for a good few years. Ideally I want to keep things as is (I.e. high graphics settings) for say... 5 years. I’d be happy with that. Then upgrade the gpu.

Makes sense to me.

 

[Deleted member 17413]

A 1650 Super is about £130... it will run that monitor just fine for gaming.

6 months from now, you should have a full choice of 3060, 3070, 3080 and i would imagine all of them will have settled in price
a 3070 now is about £550, and the talk was it would settle at a similar price to the 2070, which was about £430, the 3080 is sitting at about £780, and figures of around £600/£650 banded about as expected prices when settled.

Theres no point paying for a 2070 super to sit on a monitor thats 1080p and 60Hz, especially if when he does get that monitor upgrade he chooses 4k 144hz instead of 1440p 144hz.

If you are 100% only going to switch to a 1440p 144hz monitor, then sure, take the 2070 super (or wait for the 3060 to be available), but thats not whats been said here.

 

[ThornyFloweringShrub]

If I was to upgrade to a 1440p ultra wide, would the 3080 be overkill? If I wanted to upgrade to 1440p ultra wide and ultra settings 60 fps for say 5 years - what card (all choices) would you go for personally? Thanks for your help in this

 

[Crizzy G]

A 1650 Super is about £130... it will run that monitor just fine for gaming.

6 months from now, you should have a full choice of 3060, 3070, 3080 and i would imagine all of them will have settle in price
a 3070 now is about £550, and the talk was it would settle at a similar price to the 2070, which what about £430, the 3080 is sitting at about £780, and figures of around £600/£650 banded about as expected prices when settled.

Theres no point paying for a 2070 super to sit on a monitor thats 1080p and 60Hz, especially if when he does get that monitor upgrade he chooses 4k 144hz instead of 1440p 144hz.

If you are 100% only going to switch to a 1440p 144hz monitor, then sure, take the 2070 super (or wait for the 3060 to be available), but thats not whats been said here.

No one recommended him to get a 2070 super.

You've either seen a typo or made a mistake. The only recommendations put to OP where 3070 or 3080.

 

[Deleted member 17413]

Depending on who you are talking to, it sits somewhere between luxury choice and overkill.
If you went super ultrawide, then the 3080 is a very good choice, if not necessary.

 

[Crizzy G]

If I was to upgrade to a 1440p ultra wide, would the 3080 be overkill? If I wanted to upgrade to 1440p ultra wide and ultra settings 60 fps for say 5 years - what card (all choices) would you go for personally? Thanks for your help in this

You will have to speak to somone with
expertise on this. I think 3070 is more than fine. But value for money wise (as what you get for the card 3080 is better)

Byte size tech explains it perfectly as to why you should choose 3080 over the 3070 if you have the money.

But agree with @sibun1 comment above. (Though personally I would choose 3080)

 

[Deleted member 17413]

No one recommend him to get a 2070 super.

You're right, its a 2080 super being talked about, but that doesnt change the situation, for 4k 144hz, a 2080 super isnt a great choice, and the 3070 would be far better anyway.

The arguement here is as much about the timing as anything else here though, and by taking a very budget option with a 1650 (which will run the monitor he says he has) and waiting till he actually upgrades the monitor and buying a GPU that matches that, when he gets that, its very very possible that he would actually save money.

You have to remember, all these 3000 cards are currently at their peak prices, tight demand, limited supply and fresh on the shelf.
You also have to remember the 2000 series have only just been replaced, but their replacements are SIGNIFICANTLY better, there is no point buying a 2000 series card right now, especially if its overkill on what you are pairing it to.

The timing of all this places you right in the middle of no mans land

 

[ThornyFloweringShrub]

So to streamline my options:

If I upgrade my monitor to 144hz 1440p ultra wide. Out of the following what is best suited:

2070 Super
2080 Super
3070
3080

Bearing in mind please, my target would be 5 years use of high settings and 60 FPS (obviously I know there’s no crystal ball...)

Secondly - if I felt uncomfortable waiting for 30xx cards. Still with the above criteria. Would not waiting (I.e. Going for one of the 20xx cards) be a poor choice? Or unwise in your experience or opinion?
The input is appreciated, thanks for your comments

 

[Crizzy G]

You're right, its a 2080 super being talked about, but that doesnt change the situation, for 4k 144hz, a 2080 super isnt a great choice, and the 3070 would be far better anyway.

The arguement here is as much about the timing as anything else here though, and by taking a very budget option with a 1650 (which will run the monitor he says he has) and waiting till he actually upgrades the monitor and buying a GPU that matches that, when he gets that, its very very possible that he would actually save money.

You have to remember, all these 3000 cards are currently at their peak prices, tight demand, limited supply and fresh on the shelf.
You also have to remember the 2000 series have only just been replaced, but their replacements are SIGNIFICANTLY better, there is no point buying a 2000 series card right now, especially if its overkill on what you are pairing it to.

The timing of all this places you right in the middle of no mans land

I also never mentioned he should get a 2080 super. It was the OP who bought it up.

To make it perfectly clear I would only recommend to go for 3070 or 3080. Even if the OP doesn't want to wait and wants to get a 20series as I would hate for him to get buyers remorse.

 

[Crizzy G]

So to streamline my options:

If I upgrade my monitor to 144hz 1440p ultra wide. Out of the following what is best suited:

2070 Super
2080 Super
3070
3080

Bearing in mind please, my target would be 5 years use of high settings and 60 FPS (obviously I know there’s no crystal ball...)

Secondly - if I felt uncomfortable waiting for 30xx cards. Still with the above criteria. Would not waiting (I.e. Going for one of the 20xx cards) be a poor choice? Or unwise in your experience or opinion?
The input is appreciated, thanks for your comments

Its between 3070 or 3080. 3070 if you want it to work 3080 for luxury.

 

[ThornyFloweringShrub]

You will have to speak to somone with
expertise on this. I think 3070 is more than fine. But value for money wise (as what you get for the card 3080 is better)

Byte size tech explains it perfectly as to why you should choose 3080 over the 3070 if you have the money.

But agree with @sibun1 comment above. (Though personally I would choose 3080)

I also never mentioned he should get a 2080 super. It was the OP who bought it up.

To make it perfectly clear I would only recommend to go for 3070 or 3080. Even if the OP doesn't want to wait and wants to get a 20series as I would hate for him to get buyers remorse.

Thanks Crizzy, noted

 

[ThornyFloweringShrub]

The minimum would be the 2080 Super ideally...while the 2070 Super is a 1440p 144Hz card, it may not have the power for Ultrawide. Ideally, you'd want the 3070.....given the huge jump in technology that the 3000 series offers over the 2000 series (apart from sheer performance, it is also the Ray Tracing level) without an equivalent jump in price, I wouldn't want to "merely" go for a 2000 series card if I was buying a new system now...only reason would be either because you can't wait (need for work/old one broken etc) or are severely budget limited

There’s no direct immediate need. Although I must admit I am starting to feel more a more uncomfortable with money out the bank and an indefinite build date. Appreciate it’s not PCS’ fault. Does anyone know what the refund limit is? Is it 14 days from ordering? Even if it’s not built?

 

[SpyderTracks]

There’s no direct immediate need. Although I must admit I am starting to feel more a more uncomfortable with money out the bank and an indefinite build date. Appreciate it’s not PCS’ fault. Does anyone know what the refund limit is? Is it 14 days from ordering? Even if it’s not built?

It’s 14 days from receiving the build, same as any online purchase.

 

[AgentCooper]

The minimum would be the 2080 Super ideally...while the 2070 Super is a 1440p 144Hz card, it may not have the power for Ultrawide. Ideally, you'd want the 3070.....given the huge jump in technology that the 3000 series offers over the 2000 series (apart from sheer performance, it is also the Ray Tracing level) without an equivalent jump in price, I wouldn't want to "merely" go for a 2000 series card if I was buying a new system now...only reason would be either because you can't wait (need for work/old one broken etc) or are severely budget limited

As an ultrawide and 2070 Super owner I can wade in here. It can indeed run it, I’m running Red Dead Redemption 2 at around 80-100 frames per second, albeit with a few settings dialled down.

 

[Deleted member 17413]

Refund dates start from once received, although you may face a penalty fee if you cancel during building.
Doing it preproduction should be a straight refund.

I get what Grizzly is saying, that buying two cards is more expensive than one and just order the one you should end up with (which i would say is 3060 if 1440p 144hz, 3070 if 1440p 144hz ultrawide or above, or 3080 if you go 4K, but make sure you get 144hz 4k,)

My point is this, the prices on the new cards may well come down further than what a 1650 card costs you now, so buying a 1650, as it will do what he needs right now and so wont slow anything down on receiving the machine, and could very well save money in the long run.
Hell, even a 1050 might be alright on that monitor for 3 or 4 months. (but i would check that out)

 

[Crizzy G]

Refund dates start from once received, although you may face a penalty fee if you cancel during building.
Doing it preproduction should be a straight refund.

I get what Grizzly is saying, that buying two cards is more expensive than one and just order the one you should end up with (which i would say is 3060 if 1440p 144hz, 3070 if 1440p 144hz ultrawide or above, or 3080 if you go 4K, but make sure you get 144hz 4k,)

My point is this, the prices on the new cards may well come down further than what a 1650 card costs you now, so buying a 1650, as it will do what he needs right now and so wont slow anything down on receiving the machine, and could very well save money in the long run.
Hell, even a 1050 might be alright on that monitor for 3 or 4 months. (but i would check that out)

I've also not anywhere in this post recommended him to buy two cards.

I don't know how to make this anymore clearer than. Get either the 3070 0r 3080.

Correction i read your post again i have made a mistake in my first sentence. Apologies.

I also get what you are saying as regards for getting the right card for the job now. However I would still disagree. Have you considered resale factor?

 

[ThornyFloweringShrub]

It’s 14 days from receiving the build, same as any online purchase.

Thanks