Some advice regarding rendering laptop

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michme

Member
Dear people,
i'm looking for a laptop to be used mainly for 3d work, rendering and architecture software.
I wanted the Octane serious but i'm afraid it is too heavy for me.
After the Octane my second choice was the DefianceVI but now i find the Recoil III RTX.
I would love to hear some ideas that will help me choose and any comment you care to give regarding my specs.
Thank you so much for your time!
Michal

Rcoil
Recoil Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 9750H (2.6GHz, 4.5GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair 2666MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 2070 - 8.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st Storage Drive
2TB Samsung 860 QVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated 3 in 1 Card Reader (SD / SDHC / SDXC)
AC Adaptor
1 x 230W AC Adaptor
Battery
Recoil II Series 46WH Lithium Ion Battery
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre European Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card
2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Cinema
Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® AC-9260 M.2 (1.73Gbps, 802.11AC) +BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
1 x USB 3.1 PORT (Type C) + 2 x USB 3.1 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Keyboard Language
PER-KEY RGB BACKLIT USA QUIET MECHANICAL KEYBOARD
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
US International/USA - US English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 2 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Chassis
TongFang GK7CP7S (8GB RTX-2070, i7-9750H, 144Hz)

Defiance
Chassis & Display
Defiance Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 9750H (2.6GHz, 4.5GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair 2666MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 2080 Max-Q - 8.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st Storage Drive
2TB Samsung 860 QVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)
AC Adaptor
1 x 180W AC Adaptor
Battery
Defiance Series 4 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (62WH)
Power Cable
2 x 1 Metre Cloverleaf European Power Cable
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card
2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack
Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® AC-9260 M.2 (1.73Gbps, 802.11AC) +BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
2 x USB 3.1 PORTS (Type C) + 2 x USB 3.1 PORTS
Keyboard Language
RGB BACKLIT USA KEYBOARD
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
US International/USA - US English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 2 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Chassis
Clevo P970RN (8GB GTX-2080 Max-Q, i7-9750H, 144Hz)
 
Oussebon

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
I suppose my question for you is - do you think it's worth 300€ going from a full laptop 2070 to the 2080 Max-Q?

I believe this is the 80W Max-Q, not the 90W one.

As for the spec overall, it seems sensible.

I assume the data you are storing on the 2TB SSD is all data that you need on fast storage?

Otherwise, something like:
500gb 970 Evo (os, programs, project files)
1TB SX 6000 M.2 SSD (source material library..?)
2TB HDD (mass storage, your movie and music collection etc)
could be preferable. Or just a single 970 Evo plus HDD for mass storage.
 
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michme

Member
That a good question regarding the 2070/2080. i will have to read more about it.
regarding the storage that was my idea but your configuration sounds sensible.
I didn't buy a new computer for quite a while so i didn't put to much emphasize on the m.2 versus SSD.

Thank you so much for your time.
 
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michme

Member
If i can ask another question -
the Rcoile is slightly thicker (395.7 x 260.8 x 26.75mm) than the Defiance (398.6mm x 268mm x 19.9mm) does it make a difference in the cooling?
thank you
 
Oussebon

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
Not necessarily. I'm not sure if anyone has compared the two chassis side by side to see how they cope with temps under the same conditions. I expect not...
 
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michme

Member
Thank you.
I have been reading former discussions comparing the Recoile and Defiance and comparing it to my specs.
the two differences i noticed are the graphic card which you already pointed out and the battery.
Do you you think there is something else i should know/ notice?

thank you for the patience!
 
Oussebon

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
I only just noticed the 17.3" Defiance only offers the 2070 as max-Q, not the 'full' laptop 2070.

So I would surmise the Recoil has more capable cooling as it offers a GPU with a higher TDP.

Of course, even if true, that does not mean the Recoil runs cooler. Because it has the beefier GPU to contend with :) i.e. it might be better at getting rid of heat, but it has a bit more heat to get rid of.
 
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michme

Member
Oussebon said:
Of course, even if true, that does not mean the Recoil runs cooler. Because it has the beefier GPU to contend with :) i.e. it might be better at getting rid of heat, but it has a bit more heat to get rid of.
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Lovely catch 22 moment.
i guess now is the hard moment of decision making ;)
thank you!
 
phitol

phitol

Bronze Level Poster
I don't think you can really go wrong with any of the PCS gaming laptops.

There is a lot of talk over Full Fat 2060 vs 2070 vs 2070 MQ vs 2080 MQ, the reality is all implementations are different, what thermal/power limits have been used will vary and benchmarks show this.

I ended up with the Defiance V (16.1" Clevo P960, the same family as the p970 17" Chassis of the Defiance VI), based on youtube reviews of the P960
e.g.
etc

And as with the owners thread on Notebookreview, we are finding it seems to perform very well for the 80W 2080MQ,
On stock settings, 3D Mark Timespy I get a healthy 7973 (8232 For GPU / 6769 CPU), with tweaking and cooling mat you can get a little bit more, but I tend to just run a small undervolt only and leave everything stock as it's quite well balanced.
This thread of the 2070 Recoil III (https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/recoil-17-3-rtx-2070-review.62245/) states (For Timespy)
"Now 7242 after an undervolt + fresh reboot "
Thats about 10% less overall in favour of the Defiance, whether the increased money is worth it or not that's another question. And obviously that's just one comparison.

FYI, The cooling setup is a 3 fan design, so whilst the laptop is slimmer, it's OK and you can see from reviews it's not slammed for being an over heating monster. Saying all that, one or two reviews do give it as being higher temps than a few others, some show it as being lower than others, but maybe that is normal variation.
 
Oussebon

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
phitol said:
There is a lot of talk over Full Fat 2060 vs 2070 vs 2070 MQ vs 2080 MQ, the reality is all implementations are different, what thermal/power limits have been used will vary and benchmarks show this.
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The one thing I would say is that the 2070 Max-Q is generally not wroth buying since it's barely any better than an RTX 2060 unless you start doing things do it that would affect your warranty with PCS.
www.techspot.com

Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 (Laptop GPU) Review

Considering the popularity and widespread use of the GeForce GTX 1060 in gaming laptops, the new RTX 2060 is set to be one of the key offerings...
www.techspot.com www.techspot.com

And there's this review of the Defiance VI with a 2070 Max-Q: https://www.geeknetic.es/Review/1594/Review-PcSpecialist-17-3-Defiance-V-RTX.html (~8% better than a laptop 2060 going by notebookcheck)

Also that Recoil was having performance problems when resuming from sleep; so we should be careful before treating its scores as typical in case it wasn't working well in other regards too.
 
phitol

phitol

Bronze Level Poster
Absolutely, can't disagree on having to always analyse benchmarks etc.

The Defiance 2070MQ review you posted is a good highlight that the 2070MQ is deffo not worth it

On the full fat 2070 vs 2080MQ, from that same review, the ASUS ROG Scar II 2070 which is a full fat version scored 7046, (although other reviews show 7300-7400 in better tweaked use cases) but all those are still behind the 2080MQ IMO.

I did a fair bit of research, and the only reason I went for the 2080MQ in the end was more often than not it seemed to sit nicely between 2070 and 2080 full fat variants, and being honest, the PCS entry price for the Defiance V is crazy low..
 
debiruman665

debiruman665

Enthusiast
Even the full-fat GPUs aren't even specced at the full potential.

I find it weird, the octane is happy to run cpu at 100C if you let it but I've never seen the GPU go over 80C no matter how hard I've pushed it.
 
Oussebon

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
NB, GPU max temps are lower. They used to be 90-something but I believe with Turing its 88. And the boosting algorithm/rules will be different as well I guess.
 
Oussebon

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
If not, contact PCS and ask them directly I guess :) And let us know what they say if you get the chance as it could help others
 
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