jamiephillips909
Godlike
I think only x570 boards will support 5G in future aswell this is pulling from my memory tho and has been a very long week
Thoughts on this PC?
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NoddyPirate
Grand Master
Oooh. Yes, you’re right actually. It’s in the AMD tech specs also. Good spot.Hmm, just wondering because of this:
AMD TUF GAMING X570 PLUS
SpyderTracks
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It’s just common knowledge, it's been known that way for decades now. You look to third party reviews for VRM capabilities and capacitor specs from people like Buildzoid. And you learn with experience.
Saying "they still use japanese capacitors" means nothing, there are hundreds of different model of capacitor and mosfet, and the different models make a HUGE difference, weather they're japanese or chinese. As with everything, the better tiered stuff costs more because the components are more expensive on their own.
You don’t find B550 with built in Waterblocks because anyone overclocking (and not talking about hobbyist overclocking but proper overclocking) knows they need X570, it's just found from researching and realising how the series run from generation to generation.
As I said, it's common knowledge:
"The flagship AMD X570 platform"
Top 5 AMD X570 Motherboards
You're ready to go AMD on your next build, and we can't blame you. Third-gen Ryzen offers great options with core-rich CPUs at compelling price points. The...
www.techspot.com
"Commonly referred to as AMD's mid-level budget chipset, it was thought B550 would bridge the gap somewhere between X470 and X570"
And says it in the title.
AMD's Entry-Level A520 Motherboards Launching on 18th August - ASUS & ASRock Boards Listed & Leaked Online
AMD's board partners are planning to introduce their entry-level A520 chipset-based motherboards on the 18th of August or next Tuesday.
wccftech.com
NoddyPirate
Grand Master
(TLDR - there's a Q for you at the end!
) You don't find Waterblock B550 boards becasue if you're paying a grand for a motherboard you would expect to have all the bells and whistles on it. This is where we seem to depart ways in our thinking - The Chipset is nothing more than the Southbridge. It has no bearing on raw CPU performance. But if you have an overclocking board built like house that you need a mortgage for, you don't expect to find a basic chipset in it.
I have to assume you have read the links you've posted there? They all discuss the Chipset tiers and various different quality of Motherboards that contain them?? It's like you're making my argument for me!As I said, it's common knowledge:
"The flagship AMD X570 platform"
Top 5 AMD X570 Motherboards
You're ready to go AMD on your next build, and we can't blame you. Third-gen Ryzen offers great options with core-rich CPUs at compelling price points. The...
"Commonly referred to as AMD's mid-level budget chipset, it was thought B550 would bridge the gap somewhere between X470 and X570"
And says it in the title.
AMD's Entry-Level A520 Motherboards Launching on 18th August - ASUS & ASRock Boards Listed & Leaked Online
AMD's board partners are planning to introduce their entry-level A520 chipset-based motherboards on the 18th of August or next Tuesday.
The first quote you've taken from the first link is incomplete - "The flagship AMD X570 platform mostly consists of high-end motherboards" which says exactly what I am saying - X570 is not the Motherboard tier.
Your second link makes my point perfectly too - "the B550 is AMD's mid-level budget chipset " - AMD don't make motherboards.
And your third link on the A520 also says: "The AMD X570 and B550 platforms are far out of reach from a wider audience as you're going to pay extra for the PCIe Gen 4 advantage." That expensive PCIe 4.0 advantage over the A520 is provided by the Chipset not the Motherboard.
But my final attempt at making my point - you generally won't find expensive chipsets in a cheap board because of all that has been discussed. But it still happens:
The PRIME-X570-P is not as capable as the ROG-STRIK-B550-XE because that X570 chipset is placed on a lower tier mobo. Lower quality power supply, lower quality cooling, but better chipset. It is not aimed at Overclockers or Tweakers but still retains the benefits of the better chipset functionality. But you seem to be suggesting that you should choose that PRIME over the ROG for better overclocking results all day long just because it says X570?
I just don't get it......
(I really think you and I would buy the same board for the same purpose, but our logic would be totally different as to why we did so!)
SpyderTracks
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I don't understand where you're coming from with this, I'm afraid.(TLDR - there's a Q for you at the end!
You don't find Waterblock B550 boards becasue if you're paying a grand for a motherboard you would expect to have all the bells and whistles on it. This is where we seem to depart ways in our thinking - The Chipset is nothing more than the Southbridge. It has no bearing on raw CPU performance. But if you have an overclocking board built like house that you need a mortgage for, you don't expect to find a basic chipset in it.
I have to assume you have read the links you've posted there? They all discuss the Chipset tiers and various different quality of Motherboards that contain them?? It's like you're making my argument for me!
The first quote you've taken from the first link is incomplete - "The flagship AMD X570 platform mostly consists of high-end motherboards" which says exactly what I am saying - X570 is not the Motherboard tier.
Your second link makes my point perfectly too - "the B550 is AMD's mid-level budget chipset " - AMD don't make motherboards.
And your third link on the A520 also says: "The AMD X570 and B550 platforms are far out of reach from a wider audience as you're going to pay extra for the PCIe Gen 4 advantage." That expensive PCIe 4.0 advantage over the A520 is provided by the Chipset not the Motherboard.
But my final attempt at making my point - you generally won't find expensive chipsets in a cheap board because of all that has been discussed. But it still happens:
The PRIME-X570-P is not as capable as the ROG-STRIK-B550-XE because that X570 chipset is placed on a lower tier mobo. Lower quality power supply, lower quality cooling, but better chipset. It is not aimed at Overclockers or Tweakers but still retains the benefits of the better chipset functionality. But you seem to be suggesting that you should choose that PRIME over the ROG for better overclocking results all day long just because it says X570?
I just don't get it......
(I really think you and I would buy the same board for the same purpose, but our logic would be totally different as to why we did so!)
If you're simply saying you get good and bad motherboards on a chipset, yes, of course you do, that's the same with anything in life, food, clothes, any tech, anything at all, that's down to appealing to as many people as possible for as many uses as possible, that's just basic capitalism.
A top end B550 may well be better than a bad entry level X570, and would likely be around the same cost, I'm not arguing that.
But X570 has different usage targets to B550 and A520, they're aimed at different users. X570 is aimed at power users, any creator or high end gamer would go for that over B550 because of the added benefits when it comes to overclocking, aside from the chipset benefits by extra PCIe lanes and better USB support. They're just better boards in general. Of course there are bad designs, that's just a given, you do your research and buy the good ones.
To think it's all down to just the chipset isn't correct, it's who those boards are targetted at and the components they're built from to be suited to that target audience.
I'd recommend watching some buildzoid videos and then you'll understand more of where I'm coming from.
NoddyPirate
Grand Master
I have never said it was all down to the chipset - in fact I've said exactly the opposite!
But I think we are finally on the same page with this bit. The above is exactly where I'm coming from. And where all this started IMHO. Phew!
The OP - as an average user, who might want some decent future proofing and upgradability, but not want coverage for extreme use cases - will be perfectly happy with a high quality board with a B550 chipset in it. A Strix X570 would of course be better, but he does not need it to be able to achieve those things, nor does he need one to make the 5800X work properly.
And so we end where we began I hope - all in agreement.....