Upgrading from my Defiance 3

[barlew]

CHeers ill have a look. I assume you would recommend the 2070 over the 2060 for the money?

 

[Oussebon]

Maybe. It's £200 or so more.

So you'd want to be getting ~15% more fps to keep the FPS to £ ratio even, if looking at it purely in those terms.

It does deliver that, or more, in certain contexts:

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And in straight FPS terms it could really help boost minimums in a monster like AC:OD at higher settings.

But on the other hand, an RTX 2060 is already fine, playing a monster like AC:OD on very high settings isn't necessarily what you'd really do anyway (as you might bin off a few of the more performance-hungry settings anyway especially if they add little visually), and you may prefer to do something else with those £200.

So I'm not sure it's a knockout for the 2070, in the same way I'd argue it was for the 2060 over the 1660 ti.

 

[barlew]

Thanks again for all of your advice guys.

This is the spec i ended up ordering:

Chassis & Display
Vortex Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD 144Hz LED Widescreen (1920x1080) + G-Sync
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 9750H (2.6GHz, 4.5GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 2070 - 8.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE 7mm SERIAL ATA III 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 128MB CACHE (5,400rpm)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB INTEL® 660p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (upto 1500MB/sR | 1000MB/sW)
Intel Optane Memory
32GB INTEL® M10 OPTANE MEMORY - USE WITH MECHANICAL HDD

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thanks again for all of your advice guys.

This is the spec i ended up ordering:

Chassis & Display
Vortex Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD 144Hz LED Widescreen (1920x1080) + G-Sync
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 9750H (2.6GHz, 4.5GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 2070 - 8.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE 7mm SERIAL ATA III 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 128MB CACHE (5,400rpm)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB INTEL® 660p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (upto 1500MB/sR | 1000MB/sW)
Intel Optane Memory
32GB INTEL® M10 OPTANE MEMORY - USE WITH MECHANICAL HDD

Why the Optane? There's pretty much zero need for it outside of big SQL transactions.

 

[barlew]

Why the Optane? There's pretty much zero need for it outside of big SQL transactions.

Everything i read said it was great for gaming if you are installing games on a standard HDD?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Everything i read said it was great for gaming if you are installing games on a standard HDD?

That’s if you don’t have an SSD and only have hdd storage. It’s totally pointless otherwise, just put the money into a larger M2 primary drive. It’ll perform faster and cost less.

 

[barlew]

That’s if you don’t have an SSD and only have hdd storage. It’s totally pointless otherwise, just put the money into a larger M2 primary drive. It’ll perform faster and cost less.

So if i wanted to get the same amount of storage in that configuration would cost me £200 more (depending on which 2tb m.2 i chose). It was cheaper to go with the Optane and the 2tb HDD.

Surely even though i am using an m.2 for my OS i will still see the benefits of the Optane when loading from the HDD?

 

[SpyderTracks]

So if i wanted to get the same amount of storage in that configuration would cost me £200 more. It was cheaper to go with the Optane and the 2tb HDD.

Surely even though i am using an m.2 for my OS i will still see the benefits of the Optane when loading from the HDD?

You just buy 2 of the adata 1tb's they're a lot cheaper than the intels and faster also.

 

[ubuysa]

Why the Optane? There's pretty much zero need for it outside of big SQL transactions.

I'm not an Optane fan either. Although I have no practical experience with Optane I have considerable experience in storage management that is still relevant. ISTM that Optane is aimed mainly at those who can't afford an SSD for their system drive, where Optane will make a noticeable difference to Windows performance (probably). Optane on a data drive, as in this case I assume, is IMO overkill, even on a relatively slow 5400rpm drive as in this case. I can think of only two reasons for needing Optane on a data drive...

One is where you have a single application that accesses broadly the same data again and again, this data will stay in the Optane cache where it greatly improves overall performance. An SQL-based database would be a good example, but only if the data access patterns were fairly localised within the database relative to the size of the Optane module.

The second would be where your data disk is very busy with many applications accessing their own data. The high latency of a 5400rpm drive (and the slower data transfer time) will drive the active time of the drive beyond it's capacity to handle it, resulting in excessive queuing and thus very poor performance. Optane can help here by serving the data from cache, with low latency and fast data transfer rates, that is able to handle the high activity without queuing. Again however, the many applications need to have relatively localised data access patterns within the limits of the Optane module so that their data stays in the Optane cache.

The very worst thing you can do with any cached storage is to have data access patterns that are completely random and beyond the limits of the cached storage. You end up constantly flushing data from the cache to make room for the new uncached data, and then the very next I/O flushes that cached data to make room for newer data. Reading the cache to see whether the data is in there takes time, not a lot but it can be significant, and if the data isn't there that was wasted time (and adds to the overall response time). The time taken to manage the cache (flushing apparently unused data for example) can also contribute to response time. The algorithms used to determine what data types should be cached and which should not also has a major impact on the effectiveness of cached storage - it might suit your data access patterns and it might not. The algorithms used by Optane are part of Intel's Rapid Storage Technology (RST) tool and although Intel don't publish them I rather suspect they are optimised towards the kind of access patterns used by Windows, since that's the main market that Optane is aimed at, and they may not suit the (quite different) data access patterns you'll get on a data drive.

 

[barlew]

You just buy 2 of the adata 1tb's they're a lot cheaper than the intels and faster also.

Great advice mate ill email the team and get my order changed!

Ubuysa thanks for the response it sounds like it isnt really suitable or cost effective for what i want.

EDIT just realised you could amend orders. So i have removed the HDD and Optane and added two 1TB adata m.2 drives.