Vyper IV vs Recoil IV (17.3")

[Sick Mick]

Hello duded and dudettes, I require your assistance.
I've had my eye on the Vyper chassis for some time now and was finally coming to a conclusion when the Recoil reared it's head and got me thinking. I mainly play strategies, cpu heavy stuff, but I would like the opportunity to say, play cyberpunk when it comes out (or any future next-gen console game that may take my fancy) along with future proofing. Hence why I have opted for a powerful machine.
Here's the basics

	17.3" VYPER IV​	17.3" RECOIL IV​
CPU​	I7-10875H​	I7-10700K​
GPU​	RTX 2070 Super​	RTX 2070​
RAM​	16GB 2666MHz (2x8GB)​	16GB 2666MHz (2x8GB)​
Samsung 970 EVO plus​	1TB​	500GB​
Screen​	144Hz​	144Hz​
£££​	£1,937​	£2,218​

Is it worth taking a hit to the gpu to get a better cpu or will I7-10875h cover my needs?
I know it's not out yet but is there any info on the temps of the Recoil? Temperature is at the top of my list as I will have this laptop for some time.
Bonus points - Why can't you get the Artcic MX-4 paste with the Recoil chassis?

I'm coming from a desktop that I bought from PCSpecialists in 2006. 2006! I'm very exciting to upgrade buy I can wait... for a short time.

Thanks for taking to time to read and I appreciate any light you can shine on the subject.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Why can't you get the Artcic MX-4 paste with the Recoil chassis?

Any of the DTR’s (desktop replacements that use desktop CPU’s) come with superior paste by default.

I’m not familiar with the 17” Recoile yet, but does it have Thunderbolt?

If it does then I’d get the recoil. With thunderbolt (which the nova does have) you can fit an eGPU when the dgpu is too old to handle modern games, then you can fit any desktop card you like and still game at top settings for as long as the CPU remains relevant which would be 7 to 10 years. For strategy games, the recoil would definitely be more suitable.

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[Charlas]

The 10700K is a good looking processor, and like for like is a fair bit more powerful, however in a laptop chassis your not going to get the max out of the processor, as the cooling capabilities of the chassis won't be able to match a water cooling rig from a desktop class machine.

That said if it has TB3, then you could use an eGPU and get more performance that way (however remember that TB3 can't use all 16 PCI lanes that a dedicated GPU could, so wont get 100% of a 2080ti's performance in an enclosure), but would be a bit more future proof.

To end then, the 10875H will probably be more than enough for the next couple years (8 core 16 thread) as we have seen benchmarks from people like Gamers Nexus that show very little benefit for having the 10700K/10900K over the 10500K's that launched, alongside the new Desktop 10th Gens.

So comes down to how much you want to be able to travel with it, as having a more powerful GPU on board is easier to travel with than carting an eGPU with you.

 

[Sick Mick]

Any of the DTR’s (desktop replacements that use desktop CPU’s) come with superior paste by default.

I’m not familiar with the 17” Recoile yet, but does it have Thunderbolt?

If it does then I’d get the recoil. With thunderbolt (which the nova does have) you can fit an eGPU when the dgpu is too old to handle modern games, then you can fit any desktop card you like and still game at top settings for as long as the CPU remains relevant which would be 7 to 10 years. For strategy games, the recoil would definitely be more suitable.

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I was afraid that you would say that, well my wallet is afraid. It does come with Thunderbolt.
Couple more questions while I have you.
Do I take the hit now and spend the extra 200 big ones and upgrade to the 2070 super?
Is it worth looking at the older Recoil series for an idea on temperatures or is it irrelevant?

Thanks for your timely response.

 

[Charlas]

Any of the DTR’s (desktop replacements that use desktop CPU’s) come with superior paste by default.

I’m not familiar with the 17” Recoile yet, but does it have Thunderbolt?

If it does then I’d get the recoil. With thunderbolt (which the nova does have) you can fit an eGPU when the dgpu is too old to handle modern games, then you can fit any desktop card you like and still game at top settings for as long as the CPU remains relevant which would be 7 to 10 years. For strategy games, the recoil would definitely be more suitable.

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Snap on the eGPU

 

[Charlas]

I'll be honest, I was thinking of trying to wait for the Ryzen 4000 machines, but wanted 2070super or higher GPU, and that looks to not really be an option at the moment anywhere, and as I needed a replacement, I've gone with the Vyper 17 with 2070super, and for me that will be OK. I use it for work (I'm in Devops Architecture, so lots of VSCode and compiling) and Video Editing, along with Games and VR. And I think the 10875H with a mild undervolt will do me just fine for now. However if you KNOW you need the extra CPU from the 10700K, then it might be worth it, and for portability it might also be worth going with the Super based card (as it's essentially a 2080 level performance card). Obviously Thermals will be your bigest hit to performance in a Laptop chassis, so maybe a cooling pad or something like that may help out a little to keep the airflow up. But as with all Laptops, your going to pay more, for less performance than a Desktop class machine, just purely for the portability.

 

[Sick Mick]

The 10700K is a good looking processor, and like for like is a fair bit more powerful, however in a laptop chassis your not going to get the max out of the processor, as the cooling capabilities of the chassis won't be able to match a water cooling rig from a desktop class machine.

That said if it has TB3, then you could use an eGPU and get more performance that way (however remember that TB3 can't use all 16 PCI lanes that a dedicated GPU could, so wont get 100% of a 2080ti's performance in an enclosure), but would be a bit more future proof.

To end then, the 10875H will probably be more than enough for the next couple years (8 core 16 thread) as we have seen benchmarks from people like Gamers Nexus that show very little benefit for having the 10700K/10900K over the 10500K's that launched, alongside the new Desktop 10th Gens.

So comes down to how much you want to be able to travel with it, as having a more powerful GPU on board is easier to travel with than carting an eGPU with you.

I'll be relatively stationary, sadly not enough for a desktop. Thanks for the input.

 

[Charlas]

Here's a look at the 2070 vs the Super

UserBenchmark: Nvidia RTX 2070 vs 2070S (Super)

and the Super vs 2080

UserBenchmark: Nvidia RTX 2070S (Super) vs 2080

As you can see the Super is for all intense and purpose now a 2080

 

[SpyderTracks]

Do I take the hit now and spend the extra 200 big ones and upgrade to the 2070 super?

2070 Super would be worthwhile for longevity, but don’t bust the bank.

Is it worth looking at the older Recoil series for an idea on temperatures or is it irrelevant?

The older recoil was a completely different chassis, wasn’t a DTR in the first instance.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Here's a look at the 2070 vs the Super

UserBenchmark: Nvidia RTX 2070 vs 2070S (Super)

and the Super vs 2080

UserBenchmark: Nvidia RTX 2070S (Super) vs 2080

As you can see the Super is for all intense and purpose now a 2080

Those are desktop cards? No relevance to this. Also never use userbenchmark, doesn’t have much meaning as it doesn’t account for overclocks or chassis variations, always use 3rd party reviewers.

 

[Sick Mick]

I'll be honest, I was thinking of trying to wait for the Ryzen 4000 machines, but wanted 2070super or higher GPU, and that looks to not really be an option at the moment anywhere, and as I needed a replacement, I've gone with the Vyper 17 with 2070super, and for me that will be OK. I use it for work (I'm in Devops Architecture, so lots of VSCode and compiling) and Video Editing, along with Games and VR. And I think the 10875H with a mild undervolt will do me just fine for now. However if you KNOW you need the extra CPU from the 10700K, then it might be worth it, and for portability it might also be worth going with the Super based card (as it's essentially a 2080 level performance card). Obviously Thermals will be your bigest hit to performance in a Laptop chassis, so maybe a cooling pad or something like that may help out a little to keep the airflow up. But as with all Laptops, your going to pay more, for less performance than a Desktop class machine, just purely for the portability.

I was hoping the Ryzen 400 machines would be an option but with nothing really on the horizon it would be a tough wait, there will also always be something to wait for.
What temperatures have you been getting with the Vyper? Did you re-paste it? Do you use a cooling pad?

 

[Charlas]

Those are desktop cards? No relevance to this. Also never use userbenchmark, doesn’t have much meaning as it doesn’t account for overclocks or chassis variations, always use 3rd party reviewers.

Oh completely agree, was just to show how little there is between the 2070S and the 2080 (overall), general thing, not that those are the numbers to link to anything.

 

[Charlas]

I was hoping the Ryzen 400 machines would be an option but with nothing really on the horizon it would be a tough wait, there will also always be something to wait for.
What temperatures have you been getting with the Vyper? Did you re-paste it? Do you use a cooling pad?

Mines still coming, have the thermal paste option checked on it from PCS, so hope they are decent, will do a review when it get's here.

 

[Sick Mick]

2070 Super would be worthwhile for longevity, but don’t bust the bank.



The older recoil was a completely different chassis, wasn’t a DTR in the first instance.

Do you know much on the i5-10600k?

Intel Core i5-10600K vs. AMD Ryzen 5 3600 vs. Ryzen 7 3700X

The Core i5-10600K is arguably the most compelling of the 10th-gen unlocked desktop parts. First, it's the most affordable of the bunch, set to retail for $262....

www.techspot.com

Techspot suggest it is the 'most compelling' of 10th gen

 

[SpyderTracks]

Techspot suggest it is the 'most compelling' of 10th gen

Unfortunately that’s not saying much, that’s the point. The only place intel are relevant is at 1080p high refresh, outside of that, they have no place in the market.

For your uses, I would probably still opt for the 10700k