Advice on a new system, issue of might be overkill or lacking in places and the 7800X3D shortage

[Deranger]

Currently looking to upgrade my system (well, buy a new on even). The issue I have is not being able to obtain a 7800x3d as appears to be the one to go for in gaming (and heard issues of the latest version of Ryzen not performing as they should in the x3d regard).

Old System (From PCS but my mate gave it to me years ago for free):
i9-7980XE
X-299E mobo
32gb RAM32gb RAM
GTX 1080 Ti - This appears to be dying as after checking rest of system and no problems (memory etc) I have the issue of the GPU crashing and restarting the PC (initially when a game shuts down, now sometimes in the middle of them. Reduced Power Output to minimum (46%) and relieves the issue a bit where the GPU was throwing a wobbly at 60 degrees even though within usual ranges)
2 x different NVMe SSDs and an old HDD (reusing as extra storage, though probably not the old 1TB HDD)
PG348 monitor (reusing).
Corsair keyboard (reusing)
Altec speakers (SOOO OLD but reusing, talking up to 20 years!)

The 1080 Ti failing is what prompted my next step since the system is OLD.

This is the spec I had been looking at, for gaming only really, with a budget around £2000. But if I can get it for £10 that would be better!:

Fractal North TG Gaming Case
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
ASUS TUF B650-PLUS
32GB Corsair Vengence DDR5 6000MHz
12GB ASUS TUF GEFORCE RTX 4070 SUPER OC Edition
1TB SAMSUNG 990 PRO M.2.
CORSAIR 750W CX Series
CORSAIR H100x RGB Elite Cooler
1 x 120 PCS Black Case Fan (PCS had this so carried it over)
Windows 11 (Home)- although I do not need it as have a license it seems like a pain to order one pre-built but minus the OS so I would need to setup/test the system myself.

So the main problem is the 7800X3D shortage (now 31/01/25 at least) meaning that is now off the menu. Advise has been to use the 9800X3D, though being about £150 more for in theory a "worse" chip (considering my requirements) for my purposes and being stickler for making the correct choice was not sure if giving up on the 7800 was the right thing to do.

£2,116 for the 9800X3D system, £1,968 for the 7800X3D (If it reappears one day), £2,000 if it were the Ryzen 9 7900X3D (this one is the issue of using correct cores etc?).

1) Am I thinking along the right lines regarding the CPU (Yes I know the GPU is king, but not willing to throw even more on the better offerings like the 4080/90 and Tis)?
2) Is the rest of the system overkill/just right/lacking.
3) Theory on a new Windows 11 licence.
4) Budget is around £2000. I was willing to go for the above at £1,968 but not so much with £2,116 for the other chip (or any others since I see the other newer X3Ds are now out of stock too, but not the 9800X3D), but mainly due to lack of knowledge on the subject after reading up on the situation. Is the 9800X3D overkill for me IF say I had the 7800X3D option. Currently it is a lot down to the shortage that lead me here. I know it just a £150 difference but I was originally going to stop at around £1000 before I delved further.
5) Primarily FPS/Survival type games. Waiting for STALKER 2 next week.


EDIT:
This is the current build to be purchased, in the correct format, after advice taken:
Case
FRACTAL NORTH TG GAMING CASE (BLACK)
Promotional Item
Get a discount code for 20% off select peripherals at Corsair.com
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE X870 EAGLE WIFI7 (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB GIGABYTE RADEON™ RX 7800 XT GAMING OC - 2 x HDMI, 2 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 6500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1200W RMx SHIFT SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
1 x 120mm Thermaltake TOUGHFAN 12 Case Fan
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £0.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/WYnTWZr0Ju/


Many Thanks

 

[TonyCarter]

The 9800X3D and the 7800X3D both use similar 3D cache on the CCD/chiplet for increases gaming performance. The 9800X3D is 10-15% faster on average...but 30% more expensive, and also not currently available.

The only X3D CPUs that have/had issues were those that were the 7000 series CPUs with dual CCD/chiplet design that had both X3D and normal CCDs (7900X3D/7950X3D), and the systems were getting confused over which CCD to use for different processes (e.g. non-X3D were faster for non-gaming uses, and X3D were slower for productivity uses). This has been resolved in the newer 9000 series CPUs (9900X3X/9950X3D) as both CCDs have the 3D cache, but equally as important is that both CCDs have high performance cores to them, so there's no loss between gaming & productivity uses.

 

[Deranger]

and also not currently available.

Food for thought. It is selectable (the Ryzen 7 9800X3D) but not for the Ryzen 7 7800X3D and Ryzen 9 7900X3D. But thankyou, it gives me more information on the 9800 - 7800 differences.
Fortunately I am managing to cope with the "computer crashes after game shuts down" situation so still time to mull it over between CPUs. As you say the 9800 is better but not pound for pound, depending on what happens with the 7800s.

Cheers.

 

[Deranger]

This would be a rough system for the 9800x3D chip...I factored in a 10% overspend on the price but could be reduced by paring down the second (games) drive to 1TB:

Case
FRACTAL NORTH TG GAMING CASE (BLACK)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE X870 EAGLE WIFI7 (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB GIGABYTE RADEON™ RX 7800 XT GAMING OC - 2 x HDMI, 2 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 3325MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1200W RMx SHIFT SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
1 x 120mm Thermaltake TOUGHFAN 12 Case Fan
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £2,187.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/XXEpQGMRdM/

As to Windows, PCS test everything with a test version of Windows. All you would need to do is download the Windows installer onto USB from the Microsoft site, let Windows install most drivers and manually find the odd one or two it may not pick up...we can always help with anything. It's pretty easy, even for someone with no experience.

Regarding the monitor: Given you are playing fps games, you may want to consider a monitor replacement that allows more fps...from what i can tell, it can only display 60Hz so 60fps is all it displays..you really want 120Hz+ for fps stuff (I play a lot of racing games and, when I switched from running 60Hz to running 120Hz, I was quickerby a couple of seconds for every minute I raced. However, if you are fine with the lower fps, then no problem

Thanks for the information. I will now spend some time pondering

 

[Scoped Badger]

We need the full specs because it has the configuration link at the bottom to make changes. Clarity, shmlarity.

 

[Ekans2011]

- Palits 4070 Super as seems to be best allrounder in terms of capability and price (I think it might cause issues of radiator placement as seems to ask for options in the ordering screen regarding this). I do not want ATIs version for various reasons (I feel it is not as good as Nvidia in terms of features and have had Nvidia cards for a decade or more etc.). I wondered if there had been a reason for pointing to ATI due to case choice etc for fitting or something.

If you require DLSS, RT, and FG technologies, NVIDIA is a better choice. Otherwise, AMD cards are more cost-effective and perform better in rasterisation.

- Just the one M.2 as I already have two to reuse from my old system, the new one will be my OS drive (but this was covered in advice).

I'd avoid the latest Samsung models because they're not as good as previous generations and are more prone to failures. SolidiGM and Corsair are more reliable (and cheaper).

- Power supply recommended when I process the order is 650 rather than 1200. I presume idea here is due to future upgrades which might require more watts but since I doubt I will be upgrading components is the 650 enough? Or was the 1200 just an idea?

The automatic configurator does not make any recommendations; it merely performs a crude estimate without considering future upgrades, transient spikes, or any other essential factors. Ignore it. For this kind of build, you'd need a new ATX 3.1 PSU, and your options on PCS are restricted to a 750W RMe (which does not allow for future, unavoidable, upgrades) or a 1200W RMx SHIFT.

- Choosing the Cooler I went for the cheaper version, is the CAPELLIX XT just about the RGBs on it? Or is there an advantage of one over the other in terms of my system choice (again, space inside the case regarding GPU and radiators/fans)?

The CAPELLIX XT cooler is newer than the H100x with improved fans and pumps, so I suggest not going with a cheaper option.

(And regarding the monitor. I will be upgrading at some point but it appears my current one runs at 100hz (70/5 without "overlock" feature). It might be the OC feature is not good enough or might be redundant in 2024. SSo initially I will miss out on performances but plan to upgrade next year (A shame the Asus Predator is no longer on sale that has similar specs to my current PG248 but is 125Hz and was under £300, though being 2018 I am sure I can find alternatives).)

What resolution is your monitor?

 

[Deranger]

We need the full specs because it has the configuration link at the bottom to make changes. Clarity, shmlarity.

Since it is at the top of the page I did not see the point cramming in ALL the options, like what I am not having. The questions are focused on the items altered from the recommendation from another member seen above.

Thanks.

 

[Deranger]

If you require DLSS, RT, and FG technologies, NVIDIA is a better choice. Otherwise, AMD cards are more cost-effective and perform better in rasterisation.

Yes, I believe these are features I would want and fits within my budget. Choice between the 4070 Supers options was what was stalling my decision.

I'd avoid the latest Samsung models because they're not as good as previous generations and are more prone to failures. SolidiGM and Corsair are more reliable (and cheaper).

Top tip, thankyou.

For this kind of build, you'd need a new ATX 3.1 PSU, and your options on PCS are restricted to a 750W RMe (which does not allow for future, unavoidable, upgrades) or a 1200W RMx SHIFT.

Ah, this explains it, thanks. Though chances of future upgrades are slim as I usually keep them unchanged for 5-10 years with no issue. I will consider the 1200.

The CAPELLIX XT cooler is a newer than the H100x with improved fans and pumps, so I suggest not going with a cheaper option.

Makes sense. Thanks.

What resolution is your monitor?

ASUS ROG Swift PG348Q - Ultra wide - 3440 x 1440, 100Hz.

Thanks both for your replies.

 

[Scoped Badger]

Since it is at the top of the page I did not see the point cramming in ALL the options, like what I am not having. The questions are focused on the items altered from the recommendation from another member seen above.

Thanks.

The point is that no-one can edit the build you create, which is why we ask for the link.

The only link posted is the one by Figment, which you've changed and not for the better.

 

[Deranger]

We need the full specs because it has the configuration link at the bottom to make changes. Clarity, shmlarity.

Here is the correct link/format (Adjusted using advice so far):
Case
FRACTAL NORTH TG GAMING CASE (BLACK)
Promotional Item
Buy select GeForce RTX 40 Series*, get Indiana Jones & The Great Circle
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE X870 EAGLE WIFI7 (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
12GB PALIT GEFORCE RTX 4070 SUPER DUAL - HDMI, 3 x DP (Final decision probably to ATI as recommended after looking up more information)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 6500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1200W RMx SHIFT SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
1 x 120mm Thermaltake TOUGHFAN 12 Case Fan
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book
Price: £2,046.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/HYMUBbqksV/

FYI I never use Wifi (In regards to not having "Wireless Network Card" since I see the MOBO has it already, and I never use it).

Cheers again.
It will be coupled with the "amazingly robust" Altec Lansing VS3151R - this is sarcasm, but also true.

 

[Deranger]

Also, in regards to case, would the XL version be better for space/cooling/setup? My current case is the same size as the XL but was wanting a smaller one if possible (as in if the one I have chosen above is not an issue then I would go for it due to cheaper/smaller).

FRACTAL NORTH TG GAMING CASE (BLACK) versus FRACTAL NORTH TG XL GAMING CASE (BLACK) (or are these poor cases?/better options at same price point?).​

 

[Deranger]

The point is that no-one can edit the build you create, which is why we ask for the link.

Yes, I was unable to create a proper link due to my initial CPU being the 7800X3D and so unable to progress to that point where I could make such a link (Hence the my first post being a wall of text and not helpful), nor did I realise a particular link was required, nor did anyone ask for me to provide one when conversing with the first two helpers.
I came here after asking elsewhere on the forum about the 7800X3D situation and someone pointed me here for the next step, and so missed the requirement of the correct format to use in Check My Specs.

And since then have provided the correct format as I was able to get to that point selecting a different CPU, after being pointed to it.

The only link posted is the one by Figment, which you've changed and not for the better.

Yes, who I was talking to and one other. I appreciate the help and direction. And if it is "not for the better", as you so kindly put, that is because I am obviously here asking for advice, which I again appreciate.

Best of Luck.