TonyCarter
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It’s easier than that…just look for an ‘Intel inside” sticker 😁
Intel 13th and 14th Gen confirmed defective
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TonyCarter
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FYI, my work laptop must be safe, as it only has one sticker on it...
...unfortunately I believe it means that whilst I can't break it, anyone in our IT department can do so...remotely
...unfortunately I believe it means that whilst I can't break it, anyone in our IT department can do so...remotely
TonyCarter
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BTW, I can't wait for this to be made into a movie, just to hear the immortal monologue...
To BSOD, or not to BSOD: that is not the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer through poorly binned and deposited silicon misfortune,
or to take up AMD against a sea of Intel troubles, and by opposing end them?
To melt: to explode; No more; and by explode to say we end the heart-ache and the thousand deaths of micro-stutters than 15th gen is heir to, 'tis a consummation devoutly to be avoided
SpyderTracks
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But that’s the point, the voltage correction won’t solve the issue, it will merely increase the deterioration time, the architecture, the bridge between the ecores and pcores is substandard.
They very quietly released 14th gen sans ecores, I’m betting as they know that is the only actual solution, disabling ecores or fully removing them from the die. So far these are OEM only, I bet my bottom dollar these are eventually released as replacements
Intel sneaks out nine 14th-Gen CPUs without E-cores — odd flagship Core i9-14901KE is the first overclockable chip for the embedded market
These new Raptor Lake Refresh chips are for embedded solutions only.www.tomshardware.com
So at the end of July, Intel released some 14th Gen processors without ecores, only on the embedded market
Intel posted some official announcements of these, and then almost immediately pulled them everywhere on their site.
There are rumours now coming in in the industry that upcoming Bartlett Lake-S processors (which is just a new raptor lake but with an additional 4 PCores) due for release early 2025 is also going to have no ecores and may be being lined up as a replacement for defective 13th and 14th Gen CPUs.
So it would be an 8 core i5, a 10 core i7 and a 12 core i9
Intel Planning P-core Only "Bartlett" LGA1700 Processor for 2025
In a surprising development, Intel plans to extend the longevity of its Socket LGA1700 platform even as the newer LGA1851 platform led by the Core Ultra 200 "Arrow Lake" remains on track for a late-Q3/early-Q4 2024 debut. This, according to a sensational leak by Jaykihn. It plans to do this with...
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TonyCarter
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I think I saw news on the BBC about Intel testing them in Iceland…
Iceland volcano erupts for sixth time in eight months
A volcano in Iceland has erupted for the sixth time in eight months
www.bbc.co.uk
SpyderTracks
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Intel have just publicised a root cause, haven’t had a chance to read it yet
Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Instability Root Cause Update
Following extensive investigation of the Intel® Core™ 13th and 14th Gen desktop processor Vmin Shift Instability issue, Intel can now confirm the root cause diagnosis for the issue. This post will cover Intel’s understanding of the root cause, as well as additional mitigations and next steps for...
community.intel.com
25% Partner Error
75% Intel design
The 25% itself can be argued as that's got its own can of worms open already as we all know. They're effectively saying utilising power settings outside of "recommended" will cause the wear, along with the inherent issues compounding the fault. This explains why even using stock limits is only a mitigation for a time period, rather than a fix.
They've stated run to run variance between the systems, which I'm not surprised at as reducing from the initially considered "performance" settings was the main performance reducer. Any changes to voltages will be fairly minimal and thus a small impact is seen.
Good to know that end users should hopefully have a solution. Any defective chips replaced and updated with the microcode should be good to go.
I would be very interested to witness the degradation of a chip with those microcode updates yet still using the "Extreme" profiles on the boards. My guess is the issues wouldn't present as the microcode and voltage pull on the affected area has been the issue all along. If you limit the water pressure to the house it doesn't matter how much you open the taps.
75% Intel design
The 25% itself can be argued as that's got its own can of worms open already as we all know. They're effectively saying utilising power settings outside of "recommended" will cause the wear, along with the inherent issues compounding the fault. This explains why even using stock limits is only a mitigation for a time period, rather than a fix.
They've stated run to run variance between the systems, which I'm not surprised at as reducing from the initially considered "performance" settings was the main performance reducer. Any changes to voltages will be fairly minimal and thus a small impact is seen.
Good to know that end users should hopefully have a solution. Any defective chips replaced and updated with the microcode should be good to go.
I would be very interested to witness the degradation of a chip with those microcode updates yet still using the "Extreme" profiles on the boards. My guess is the issues wouldn't present as the microcode and voltage pull on the affected area has been the issue all along. If you limit the water pressure to the house it doesn't matter how much you open the taps.
Apologies in advance and please delete link if it is a breach of protocol or in the wrong place! But is this (a) legitimate, and (b) something we should do now for the appropriate processors/BiOS (I would be very happy to receive advice which exact ones need it)?: https://rog.asus.com/uk/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-z790-f-gaming-wifi-model/helpdesk_bios/
I don't know what to do about the microcode update; either where to find the right one or how to install it safely.
I don't know what to do about the microcode update; either where to find the right one or how to install it safely.
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TonyCarter
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In most cases we'd stay away from beta versions, but only PCS themselves can advise/authorise if a particular BIOS is okay to use (and maintain warranty).
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Anyone on Intel will need the coming BIOS updates, but PCS will advise you which specific one to install.
I would advise to anyone if you’re out of warranty and just going to flash it, never flash a BETA BIOS, ESPECIALLY with ASUS as they don’t have a good history over the past couple of years with BIOS updates
TonyCarter
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Intel have fixed their problems with the announcement of the new Arrow Lake Core Ultra.
But as part of that fix seems to be to lower the power consumption, the performance has decreased slightly over the 14th gen CPUs (still better in productivity than the 9950X supposedly, but worse in gaming than the 7950X3D) 🤦♂️
Also not that Intel have used some 'application optimizations' with the benchmarks, so real world results may be different.
But as part of that fix seems to be to lower the power consumption, the performance has decreased slightly over the 14th gen CPUs (still better in productivity than the 9950X supposedly, but worse in gaming than the 7950X3D) 🤦♂️
Also not that Intel have used some 'application optimizations' with the benchmarks, so real world results may be different.
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TonyCarter
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SpyderTracks
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Yeah, as always wait for 3rd party reviews, marketing = lies
I have questions:
1/. Why raise the TJMax if the cpu runs more efficiently and cooler? My guess is they can claim it’s an extra 5c delta to thermal throttling simply because they’ve increased the TJMax. I fully expect temps to still be very high.
2/. Why have Intel APO enabled on the gaming benchmarks? It’s only available in a handful of titles and I’m betting favours this particular architecture heavily, hence hugely skewing results against general games on AMD. I’m betting general gaming performance will be down quite a bit.
3/. Guarantee power isnt cut in half! They specify “in lightly threaded loads”, this suggests to me under a decent fluctuating high peaks like gaming or all core constant load in multi core, I reckon we’ll see slightly reduced power use under real world scenarios
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SimonPeters116
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Intel have just publicised a root cause, haven’t had a chance to read it yet
Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Instability Root Cause Update
Following extensive investigation of the Intel® Core™ 13th and 14th Gen desktop processor Vmin Shift Instability issue, Intel can now confirm the root cause diagnosis for the issue. This post will cover Intel’s understanding of the root cause, as well as additional mitigations and next steps for...community.intel.com
I read it, but it doesn't mean much to me unfortunately.
This publication specifically says Desktop cpus.
I'm active on a Steam discussion page and fairly frequently see gamers proudly saying they have 13th/14th gen intel cpus, therefore it can't be a cpu problem. It often transpires that they're using a gaming laptop. So I'm wondering if the laptop cpus don't have the same problems,?
Are they exactly the same cpu? Or are they designed to run cooler, or anything else to make them a better cpu for a restrictive case??
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SpyderTracks
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Early benchmarks are showing that Intel 12th gen is actually 5-10% SLOWER on 24/H2 which is really odd
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Things look dire for Intel as Arrow Lake reportedly has instability issues
Stop me if you've heard this one before.
www.xda-developers.com
TonyCarter
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Thought I'd already posted it, but my AI must be halocini...hallolucint...seeing things...
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AccidentalDenz
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It's never a good thing when your AI gets halloumified!