Will you consider selling gaming laptops without batteries?

[PizzaWarriorParty]

Asking cause gaming wise I am just plug and play and greatly dislike batteries.

They can keep your machine on and unresponsive during a malware attack.

 

[AgentCooper]

Asking cause gaming wise I am just plug and play and greatly dislike batteries.

They can keep your machine on and unresponsive during a malware attack.

I can’t see that happening as it defeats the main purpose of having a laptop; portability. You’d just have to choose a model with a removable battery pack and take it out yourself if you’re that bothered.

 

[PizzaWarriorParty]

A Corsair One is portable too though a bit bulky in a backpack and no screen but at least it doesnt have a laptop battery which you dont ever ever need if you do any serious gaming whatsoever.

And yes desktop for serious gaming but it dont fit in a backpack either.

I dont understand why you sell so many integrated battery laptops. Versus something that can kill a malware vector.

 

[Rakk]

I suspect there is actually quite a small market for laptops without batteries, yes there will be people who don't need them but I suspect most would be happy to have a battery in it, or just not care if it had one and they didnt ever use unplugged

 

[SpyderTracks]

A Corsair One is portable too though a bit bulky in a backpack and no screen but at least it doesnt have a laptop battery which you dont ever ever need if you do any serious gaming whatsoever.

And yes desktop for serious gaming but it dont fit in a backpack either.

I dont understand why you sell so many integrated battery laptops. Versus something that can kill a malware vector.

They're completely different products, you're comparing desktops to laptops, entirely different products.

No laptop would ever be sold without a battery, it's an incomplete product.

You can always choose to remove the battery should you wish to, but it would never be sold that way.

Battery wouldn't have any effect on malware so long as it was turned off, makes no difference.

 

[ubuysa]

Laptops are not designed to cope with a power loss/flick in the way that a PC is, because laptops have a built in UPS. Running without a battery for long periods increases the risk that a power loss/flick will damage the laptop.

In any case, suggesting that a battery makes you more susceptible to malware is stretching credibility a bit far.

 

[Gavras]

Not sure I follow the link between malware and battery.

the majority of malware packages, would install with any power, it’s the internet that is the most import bit.

wifi off or internet cable out, then power off.


also, want to avoid malware, do not click on those links, use your mobile or tablet for email filtering.

oh and keep away from those erm... dodgy sites that Matron would not approve of.

adopt an anti malware internet approach.

it’s the user not the laptop that is responsible 99% of the time.

 

[PizzaWarriorParty]

Laptops are not designed to cope with a power loss/flick in the way that a PC is, because laptops have a built in UPS. Running without a battery for long periods increases the risk that a power loss/flick will damage the laptop.

In any case, suggesting that a battery makes you more susceptible to malware is stretching credibility a bit far.

I do use power surge protector for both desktop and laptop. I have less problems with electricity than with malware.

Heres something you can possibly replicate as this happened to me a few weeks ago. On Steam try installing then running Tekken vs Streetfighter without the Gaming For Windows Live patch, its bricks your pc but wont let it turn off. Who knows whats going on in that time span. With integrated battery not only would I have to wait till charge is gone but I would have to turn off internet router too if I am more concerned.

In this desperate covid times we will have more malware unfortunately.

 

[ubuysa]

On Steam try installing then running Tekken vs Streetfighter without the Gaming For Windows Live patch, its bricks your pc but wont let it turn off. Who knows whats going on in that time span.

I don't game so I don't run Steam, nor know the first thing about it, but from what you say it sounds as though the root cause of the problem here is not installing the 'Windows Live patch'. You suggest that if the laptop didn't have a battery you'd be able to power it off - thus preventing further damage (the 'who knows what's going on in that time span' bit).

Have you stopped to consider how many instructions even an average CPU could execute in the time between you realising the laptop was bricked by the 'malware' and pulling the power plug - even if there was no battery? What's your reaction time going to be; a couple of seconds at best probably? In 2 seconds a CPU with a very pedestrian 2GHz CPU has the time to execute over a million instructions (if we assume an average 2 clock cycles per instruction). Even if we factor in RAM access times and SSD access times we're still looking at hundreds of thousands of instructions being executed in the 2 seconds it takes you to realise there's a problem and pull the plug - and that's assuming you react that fast. Whatever the malware is going to do to you has been done in those 2 seconds, not having a battery will not protect you at all.

 

[Gavras]

I do use power surge protector for both desktop and laptop. I have less problems with electricity than with malware.

Heres something you can possibly replicate as this happened to me a few weeks ago. On Steam try installing then running Tekken vs Streetfighter without the Gaming For Windows Live patch, its bricks your pc but wont let it turn off. Who knows whats going on in that time span. With integrated battery not only would I have to wait till charge is gone but I would have to turn off internet router too if I am more concerned.

In this desperate covid times we will have more malware unfortunately.

Have you Reported this ‘Malware’ to Steam?

as this happened a few weeks ago, have you confirmed what Malware your laptop was infected with?

Did end task or similar not work Via Task Manager?

What virus protection have you used for this ‘Malware’?

 

[PizzaWarriorParty]

I don't game so I don't run Steam, nor know the first thing about it, but from what you say it sounds as though the root cause of the problem here is not installing the 'Windows Live patch'. You suggest that if the laptop didn't have a battery you'd be able to power it off - thus preventing further damage (the 'who knows what's going on in that time span' bit).

Have you stopped to consider how many instructions even an average CPU could execute in the time between you realising the laptop was bricked by the 'malware' and pulling the power plug - even if there was no battery? What's your reaction time going to be; a couple of seconds at best probably? In 2 seconds a CPU with a very pedestrian 2GHz CPU has the time to execute over a million instructions (if we assume an average 2 clock cycles per instruction). Even if we factor in RAM access times and SSD access times we're still looking at hundreds of thousands of instructions being executed in the 2 seconds it takes you to realise there's a problem and pull the plug - and that's assuming you react that fast. Whatever the malware is going to do to you has been done in those 2 seconds, not having a battery will not protect you at all.

Yes some super computers can do trillions of calculations a second. But realistically why should an integrated battery hold me hostage till its charge expires.

If you dont like my argument of malware fine, stay stuck in the stone age, I only warn you once. But what about the cost of the battery. That surely is a holy grail argument to a gamer. Why sell it in a gaming laptop and dont forget the tax on it too.

No I didnt report to Steam that specific instance the GFWL is community patch on Tekken Vs Street Fighter forum on Steam. I did suggest to Steam strongly they should have a sort of Ralph Nader consumer protection group for installing and playing straightforwardly games they still selling. Two click, install and play.

I wouldnt have mentioned Tekken vs Streetfighter as an example if I could end task using Task Manager. Just windows for virus protection there is no actual protection against malware, its a cat and mouse loop. Which you can only hope to overcome with full power down on ram or an unfortunate one hour reformat of whole pc. Best practice is to reformat monthly with all the malware and updates going round.

 

[SlimCini]

Yes some super computers can do trillions of calculations a second. But realistically why should an integrated battery hold me hostage till its charge expires.

If you dont like my argument of malware fine, stay stuck in the stone age, I only warn you once. But what about the cost of the battery. That surely is a holy grail argument to a gamer. Why sell it in a gaming laptop and dont forget the tax on it too.

No I didnt report to Steam that specific instance the GFWL is community patch on Tekken Vs Street Fighter forum on Steam. I did suggest to Steam strongly they should have a sort of Ralph Nader consumer protection group for installing and playing straightforwardly games they still selling. Two click, install and play.

I wouldnt have mentioned Tekken vs Streetfighter as an example if I could end task using Task Manager. Just windows for virus protection there is no actual protection against malware, its a cat and mouse loop. Which you can only hope to overcome with full power down on ram or an unfortunate one hour reformat of whole pc. Best practice is to reformat monthly with all the malware and updates going round.

I think you just need to take a sledgehammer to it and buy a new laptop every month. Otherwise...... Well I only warn you once!

 

[ubuysa]

Yes some super computers can do trillions of calculations a second. But realistically why should an integrated battery hold me hostage till its charge expires.

You're completely missing the point. On even a very basic laptop, the time between you realising there's a problem and pulling out the power (assuming no battery is installed) is far longer than malware will need to infect your system. You simply cannot stop malware by pulling out the power, not on a PC and not on a laptop either - because you're many orders of magnitude too slow to make any difference.

TBH you'd do far better with most modern malware pulling out the network cable from your router (or the PC/laptop if you're using Ethernet) than trying to power off the PC/laptop. Killing the network connection will stop almost all ransomware for example - if you're fast enough. But you won't ever be fast enough because human reaction times are way too slow.

And if you think that I'm stuck in the Stone Age then you clearly don't know me very well.

 

[Gavras]

Yes some super computers can do trillions of calculations a second. But realistically why should an integrated battery hold me hostage till its charge expires.

If you dont like my argument of malware fine, stay stuck in the stone age, I only warn you once. But what about the cost of the battery. That surely is a holy grail argument to a gamer. Why sell it in a gaming laptop and dont forget the tax on it too.

No I didnt report to Steam that specific instance the GFWL is community patch on Tekken Vs Street Fighter forum on Steam. I did suggest to Steam strongly they should have a sort of Ralph Nader consumer protection group for installing and playing straightforwardly games they still selling. Two click, install and play.

I wouldnt have mentioned Tekken vs Streetfighter as an example if I could end task using Task Manager. Just windows for virus protection there is no actual protection against malware, its a cat and mouse loop. Which you can only hope to overcome with full power down on ram or an unfortunate one hour reformat of whole pc. Best practice is to reformat monthly with all the malware and updates going round.

Best practice is to reformat monthly?

Do you also buy new tin foil?


There is no protection against zero day exploits, however there is a lot of protection against Malware.

if we don’t like your argument about malware stay stuck in the Stone Age? Lmao

there are a number of ways to protect against Malware.


in regards to Task Manager did you have access to Task manager, or would it not appear?


I suggest you educate yourself as to what is and what is not Malware, and how to put defence in depth in place.

 

[Jamie0202]

Even with a battery installed you can always hold the power button down for 6 seconds to immediately power the machine down. You aren't held to ransom by the charge left in the battery. I've never experienced a desktop or a laptop where this method doesn't cut the power.

 

[PizzaWarriorParty]

Even with a battery installed you can always hold the power button down for 6 seconds to immediately power the machine down. You aren't held to ransom by the charge left in the battery. I've never experienced a desktop or a laptop where this method doesn't cut the power.

Not always sometimes it just stays on, then the only reasonable solution is to pull the battery.

 

[Gavras]

Not always sometimes it just stays on, then the only reasonable solution is to pull the battery.

You can go in to Task manager and kill a windows process, it then shuts down.

 

[PizzaWarriorParty]

You can go in to Task manager and kill a windows process, it then shuts down.

 

[ubuysa]

I think you missed the irony in the post from @Gavras. I suspect that he was trying to demonstrate that your idea of defeating malware by pulling out the plug is as useless as killing a Windows process.

The idea that shipping laptops without batteries makes them somehow more secure from malware infection is completely false. Not only because the most effective malware is engineered to infect systems without the user ever knowing, but because the time it takes for the user to realise that they are under a malware attack and unplug the power is way too long to significantly impact the infection.

A decent antimalware system (Windows Defender on Windows) and safe online habits are the best defences against malware. Shipping laptops without batteries is not.

 

[Gavras]

I think you missed the irony in the post from @Gavras. I suspect that he was trying to demonstrate that your idea of defeating malware by pulling out the plug is as useless as killing a Windows process.

The idea that shipping laptops without batteries makes them somehow more secure from malware infection is completely false. Not only because the most effective malware is engineered to infect systems without the user ever knowing, but because the time it takes for the user to realise that they are under a malware attack and unplug the power is way too long to significantly impact the infection.

A decent antimalware system (Windows Defender on Windows) and safe online habits are the best defences against malware. Shipping laptops without batteries is not.

Exactly.

Malware is designed by exceptionally talented people.

the industry is more organised that most companies, the provide malware as a service (MaaS).

It can remain dormant, or like the recent Steam hack, can allow bad actors access to your PC without you knowing.

I am pretty sure every user of SolarWinds wished they could simply pull the plug and had not ordered with batteries.