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[Oussebon]

It's very interesting.

I'm not familiar with how Geekbench scores CPUs or how well it favours hyperthreading vs physical cores - or how well it scales with multiple cores of any kind.

Techradar there are saying that an i7 8700k is only beaten by 4% in multithreaded by an R7 2700x in Geekbench (25034 vs 26011). Whereas in Cinebench, that might be closer to 30% (1402 vs 1828) : https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_2700x_review,9.html (give or take, anyway: https://www.techspot.com/review/1613-amd-ryzen-2700x-2600x/ )

That doesn't necessarily take away from Geekbench since some workloads will do a lot better with more physical cores than with hyperthreading or SMT, but it's not quite the same as if the 9700k was smashing the 8700k and 2700x in Cinebench

 

[polycrac]

Disapointingly, you seem to raise a good point:
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/t...00k-review-may-uncover-minor-performance-bump

 

[polycrac]

Tomorrow, perhaps:
https://www.eteknix.com/intel-launch-new-cpus-october-8th/

 

[Scott]

Is it my imagination or has the price of the 8700k shot up of late? I thought it was < £400 to buy? Is this a strategy to make the 9900k at circa £500 appear as value for money?

 

[Oussebon]

Intel have had production shortages, this has unfortunately been known for a little while now:
https://www.techpowerup.com/247389/intel-14nm-processors-face-shortages
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol...crochip-shortage-pc-market-enjoys-unexpected/

https://www.techpowerup.com/248199/core-i7-8700k-now-at-usd-400-as-intel-cpu-prices-continue-to-boil

Apparently Intel's supply has not decreased, it's demand that has increased to an extent Intel weren't prepared for. They've gone back to having some chipsets (not CPUs) manufactured on the 22nm process I think, anything to free up 14nm.

 

[polycrac]

Livestream is getting to the good bits - playing two games (pubg and world of tanks) and streaming both from a single processor is impressive:

https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intels-fall-desktop-launch-event-livestream/

 

[SpyderTracks]

Trumps braindead tarriffs have just hit as well, and although we're not directly connected, it will affect global prices as shipping routes are affected driving up costs for everyone.

 

[Oussebon]

Yes.. and we're only in the 10% tariff period at the moment. Goes up another 15% in Jan.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Yes.. and we're only in the 10% tariff period at the moment. Goes up another 15% in Jan.

I know the forum isn't the place for politics and I promise I'll stop after this.... BUT WHAT A DOOFUS!!! :hammer:

 

[SpyderTracks]

Hmmm, I’m just not sure about these new intels...

For the first time ever, I’m going to wait for AMD’s 7nm before I drop a wad.

Prices are better than perhaps expected, especially for the i9, but I have a sneaking suspicion the AMD’s are going to make some major waves next year and I have a feeling that’s why intel have priced them as such, to get people adopting before the fall.

 

[Scott]

£600 for the 9900k is too spicy for me

 

[SpyderTracks]

£600 for the 9900k is too spicy for me

Nah, quoted as "the Core i9-9900K is set to cost $488" according to the verge:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/8/...chips-2018-desktop-processors-8-core-i9-9900k

and wired:
https://www.wired.com/story/intel-2018-core-i9/

and pc gamer:
https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-says-the-i9-9900k-is-the-best-gaming-processor-in-the-world/

Even if they do the usual unfair UK pricing of $=£ that's still pretty good.

 

[Scott]

I was looking at pre-orders on ebuyer, £600 is the tag on it

 

[Oussebon]

From the PC Gamer article:

Intel's pricing for trays of 1,000 CPUs comes in at $488 for the Core i9-9900K, $374 for the Core i7-9700K, and $262 for the Core i5-8600K. Since those prices are for bulk orders, street pricing will likely end up a little higher. B&H Photo, for example, has the Core i9-9900K listed at $529.99, the Core i7-9700K at $399, and the Core i5-9600K at $279.99.

It's £600 on Scan too, but quite a few shops aren't listing it yet, so we shall see if it stays like that for long.

The 9900k is less than £100 more than an 8700k on PCS's configurator. The 9700k is £11 more than an 8700k.

 

[SpyderTracks]

I was looking at pre-orders on ebuyer, £600 is the tag on it

From the PC Gamer article:



It's £600 on Scan too, but quite a few shops aren't listing it yet, so we shall see if it stays like that for long.

The 9900k is less than £100 more than an 8700k on PCS's configurator. The 9700k is £11 more than an 8700k.

What on earth???? I sincerely hope this is purely early adoption prices.

 

[polycrac]

No z390 boards on the configurator yet and many of the z370s are showing as incompatible with 9th gen.

 

[Oussebon]

The Asus Hero and Gigabyte Ultra Gaming were the only ones where I saw that error, with the TUF and Z370-E being out of stock (perhaps they were giving that erorr before but the out of stock one takes precedence? which would be the wrong way around to do it...)

If one Z370 board supports them, they all should have the ability to do so, I can only assume PCS haven't had official confirmation or are waiting on updated BIOS for those boards...

 

[stegor]

No z390 boards on the configurator yet and many of the z370s are showing as incompatible with 9th gen.

The Gigabyte ones have appeared. Seem about £20 (ish) more for the same spec. Is it me or is tech getting dearer and dearer in this country. Can I blame Trump?

 

[mishra]

source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/09/intels-i9-9900k-vs-ryzen-2700x-gaming-benchmarks-are-misleading-period/#1b04b64d4e4e

I'm sure you all now about current drama regarding skewed benchmarks performed by Principled Technologies:

Intel Response:
"We are deeply appreciative of the work of the reviewer community and expect that over the coming weeks additional testing will continue to show that the 9th Gen Intel Core i9-9900K is the world’s best gaming processor. Principled Technologies conducted this initial testing using systems running in spec, configured to show CPU performance and has published the configurations used. The data is consistent with what we have seen in our labs, and we look forward to seeing the results from additional third party testing in the coming weeks."

Yeah right... why not lift NDA and let the independent reviewers do their bit. We all know all companies are lying through their teeth in order to sell their "latest, greatest, fastest... and most expensive at the same time". However in the market where there finally is a strong competition you will be called on it super soon. It's very interesting to see "what real" benchmarks will show when NDA lifts.

At the moment it's going to be a hard sell where Intel CPU (with no cooler) will cost the same as Ryzen 2700X + cooler + ram + mobo + psu and a case = basically the whole PC

 

[stegor]

source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/09/intels-i9-9900k-vs-ryzen-2700x-gaming-benchmarks-are-misleading-period/#1b04b64d4e4e

I'm sure you all now about current drama regarding skewed benchmarks performed by Principled Technologies:

Intel Response:
"We are deeply appreciative of the work of the reviewer community and expect that over the coming weeks additional testing will continue to show that the 9th Gen Intel Core i9-9900K is the world’s best gaming processor. Principled Technologies conducted this initial testing using systems running in spec, configured to show CPU performance and has published the configurations used. The data is consistent with what we have seen in our labs, and we look forward to seeing the results from additional third party testing in the coming weeks."

Yeah right... why not lift NDA and let the independent reviewers do their bit. We all know all companies are lying through their teeth in order to sell their "latest, greatest, fastest... and most expensive at the same time". However in the market where there finally is a strong competition you will be called on it super soon. It's very interesting to see "what real" benchmarks will show when NDA lifts.

At the moment it's going to be a hard sell where Intel CPU (with no cooler) will cost the same as Ryzen 2700X + cooler + ram + mobo + psu and a case = basically the whole PC

Agreed. Hardware Unboxed give a very good (and scathing) account of Intel's attempt to skew the benchmarks and rip people off. I'm seriously giving AMD consideration which I never thought I would say again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bD9EgyKYkU