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stegor said:
Agreed. Hardware Unboxed give a very good (and scathing) account of Intel's attempt to skew the benchmarks and rip people off. I'm seriously giving AMD consideration which I never thought I would say again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bD9EgyKYkU
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So far, unfortunately, with intel endorsing these benchmarks, it’s just put an incredibly bad light on the whole release, it's just a sham full stop. There needs to be some payback for companies doing this, they are just wilfully misleading people now, it’s not even funny. They should be fined for outright lying.

I’m with @stegor on this, I moved from AMD processors a long time ago, but I’m waiting for their next iteration as I think they’re going to walk all over intel. I just can’t abide this level of deceit from any company.

There's a really good run down from Gamers Nexus on the Intel Benchmarks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1mJMI_uaa8
 
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So far, unfortunately, with intel endorsing these benchmarks, it’s just put an incredibly bad light on the whole release, it's just a sham full stop. There needs to be some payback for companies doing this, they are just wilfully misleading people now, it’s not even funny. They should be fined for outright lying.

I’m with @stegor on this, I moved from AMD processors a long time ago, but I’m waiting for their next iteration as I think they’re going to walk all over intel. I just can’t abide this level of deceit from any company.

There's a really good run down from Gamers Nexus on the Intel Benchmarks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1mJMI_uaa8
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Just picked this thread back up and I have to say, this behaviour doesn't actually surprise me from a modern Intel. Remember when SPECTRE landed? They spent an inordinate amount of time outright denying the issues, to the point they were dragged into a senate hearing to explain.

Then we hear what seems like time and again that things like their management engine chips are flawed in some way. Oh a quick search throws up yet another ME problem and Intel's shoddy handling: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/08/intel_security_commitment/

I had an original Athlon 64 bit CPU from AMD and it rocked - it's back from the time when they got the jump on them but since then I've almost entirely used Intel CPU's for what has tended to be better virtualisation performance but AMD are looking like future contenders again.
 
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I was on the Athlon band wagon back when curtains were cool, I think it was the Thunderbird or something like that. Amazing CPU at the time that absolutely trounced Intel for the money.

I think I'm actually going to be jumping back on said band wagon also.
 
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I too am looking to what next year brings, after Intel's increasing levels of flailing. And Nvidia's pricing on the GPU side.

I am cautioning myself against* hype though... hype and AMD are never a good mix.
 
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Oussebon said:
I am cautioning myself again hype though... hype and AMD are never a good mix.
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Unfortunately true. :(

I loved when AMD stole a chase on Intel with the Athlon but then they rested on their laurels for too long whilst Intel played catch up. Far faster than I think AMD expected them to.

And then subsequently AMD just seemed to flounder.

Hopefully they've found their way back and we will see some of that Athlon-type loving again.
 
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Tony1044 said:
Unfortunately true. :(

I loved when AMD stole a chase on Intel with the Athlon but then they rested on their laurels for too long whilst Intel played catch up. Far faster than I think AMD expected them to.

And then subsequently AMD just seemed to flounder.

Hopefully they've found their way back and we will see some of that Athlon-type loving again.
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Threadripper is proving promising, if they can keep that headway under 7nm I think it’s going to be exciting.

I really thought Intel would change their anti consumer ways after the exit of their old CEO but obviously it’s a company stance rather than a personal one which is a real shame, I think it’s going to cost them dearly.
 
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Interesting Gamers Nexus interview with Pricipled Technologies owner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzshhrIj2EY

Now, he seems like an honest guy, but he definitely has no idea what a gamer would deck his rig out with, that's completely clear, and the settings and memory timings etc that they chose points further to them not understanding gaming rigs or how to configure them. Steve went easy on the guy, because he was obviously not trying to bow out of anything, but there's ineptitude here, they had no experience or basis to perform the benchmarks in the first place otherwise they would have known such simple do's and don'ts.
 
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Prices seem to be around the £600 mark still on the retailers I checked.

But on an American retailer it's $530. With that American retailer calculating shipping and taxes for you, that makes it $647.52 for delivery to the UK. Which google currency conversion says is £492.26. Even allowing a few % extra due to charges from your payment method due to paying in a foreign currency, what we're seeing is major ripping off in the UK and EU here (699€ on a German site).

The effective 1:1 exchange rate is something we've all grown accustomed to, but this is crazy.
 
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Oussebon said:
Prices seem to be around the £600 mark still on the retailers I checked.

But on an American retailer it's $530. With that American retailer calculating shipping and taxes for you, that makes it $647.52 for delivery to the UK. Which google currency conversion says is £492.26. Even allowing a few % extra due to charges from your payment method due to paying in a foreign currency, what we're seeing is major ripping off in the UK and EU here (699€ on a German site).

The effective 1:1 exchange rate is something we've all grown accustomed to, but this is crazy.
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I agree, I can understand an early adoption levy, but this had better not be long term pricing or they're just ripping us off.
 
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If I were going to upgrade I really would get it imported from the US for that price difference...
 
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Oussebon said:
Revised study by PT: https://www.techpowerup.com/248518/...eing-just-12-faster-than-2700x-at-gaming?cp=2
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I love Intel's response to the new data, there's absolutely no acknowledgement of the initial unfairness of the tests. It's blatantly obvious that PT had no idea of a suitable gaming scenario which is what the tests where pitted as, and Intel would have known that immediately seeing their test methodology and hardware choices. At the end, it's Intel's responsibility as they were the ones to put their name on the data.

Run down from Gamers Nexus on the new data:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL-JFh9BzH8&t=629s
 
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polycrac said:
Independent reviews finally here, not many surprises:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-9900k-i7-9700k-i5-9600k-review
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I just can't see either the 9700k or the 9900k being the go to for many people other than hardcore Intel users.

Overclocking just seems to hammer both the chip TDP and the motherboard VRM's aside from performance not justifying the prices.

I just fail to see how these remain competitive if you take into consideration AMD are fairly close to a major update.
 
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The more reviews I watch and read, the more I agree. I'm left still deciding between the 8700k and the 2700x.
 
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The 9700 is looking good to me but I still don't think I can justify ditching my 3770k yet.
 
Oussebon

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Good spot:

Matching specs except for CPU:
8700k stock: £1202 https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z370-pc/HHjKxb9VJZ/
8700k overclocked: £1213 https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z370-overclocked/DA44Tqty9z/
9700k stock: £1248 https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z370-pc/fUUtAdFKwn/
9700k overclocked £1199 https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z370-overclocked/QQD!xA4kz2/

So cheaper than 8700k at stock...

And for a bonus:
i9 9900k stock: £1362 https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z370-pc/hURCuensry/
i9 9900k overclocked: £1315 https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z370-overclocked/wwAq5tRA33/

NB: Same stock spec with 8700 non-k £1119.

And AMD R7 2700x with X470 Ultra Gaming + BT/Wifi card = £1061 :/
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-pc/j0AcmApfc5/
£925 if you drop it to an R5 2600x.

Intel's value kinda sucks right now.
 
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